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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 17 May 17 7.12pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Governments don't own the printing presses, hence the reason we pay back the debt.
Central Banks are the root of many our problems.

Hmm many do including the UK until Blair separated the BoE from the State.

Metaphorically, they can still print money through policies like QE.

 


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View susmik's Profile susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 17 May 17 7.42pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

You've clearly not read or understood it. Borrowing to provide fiscal stimulus or provide nationally vital infrastructure investment is a totally reasonable and rational economic policy. There can be questions over specifics and the scope of the plans but the theory and evidence basis on which such plans are founded are creditable. Your analysis is asinine and offers no explanation.

It is not only me that thinks Corbyns manifesto will kill this country:

"BUSINESS grandee and former Labour Minister Digby Jones claims “ignorant” Jeremy Corbyn will spark an exodus from Britain.
He has said Labour leader’s barmy manifesto would bankrupt the country.
And he said: “If this guy becomes Prime Minister the best shares to buy would be British Airways because of all the people who’ll be buying one-way tickets out of the country.”

Referring to yesterday’s manifesto launch, he said: “I watched it open mouthed.
“Anybody under the age of 45 will forget what it was like when Socialists last had their hand in the cookie jar.”
And he went on: “But the IMF ran the country, and when they didn’t the trade unions did.
The strikes were so bad you couldn’t bury the dead.”
He added: “When I watched today I thought this guy is living in another world.
He says he’ll nationalise the water industry. How? By issuing bonds.”
Issuing bonds doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay, it just means you’re delaying it. It’s incredible ignorance.”

Tim Knox of the Centre for Policy Studies said Britain would become the “sick man of Europe” under Labour.
He said: “Labour would take us straight back to the 1970s: penal tax rates, union domination, economic chaos. The UK would be badly governed, badly managed and badly behaved.
“The best and brightest would leave. Graduates, footballers and entrepreneurs would be the first to go, followed by scientists, artists and businessmen and women.
Each person who leaves would not only stop paying income tax but they would also stop buying things from the shops and would stop employing
skilled labour.”

Now as for saying my analysis is asinine I think you are the one that is brain washed and not thinking straight. You are so Labour you cannot see the wood for the trees. Its a good job former Labour Minister Digby Jones has seen the light because you certainly have not and it is a waste of time debating with you as so many others in this thread have realised.

 


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Originally posted by pefwin

Hmm many do including the UK until Blair separated the BoE from the State.

Metaphorically, they can still print money through policies like QE.

It isn't printing money it's giving the markets credit.

It isn't anything like the same thing.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It isn't printing money it's giving the markets credit.

It isn't anything like the same thing.

Yes printing money is discredited as it has caused massive inflation in the past.

I struggled with QE but it really is just creating money out of thin air the problem is that its distribution is wrong it needs to go to Mr & Mrs Average as money for them to spend thus stimulating the economy without producing more debt.

That's rather simplistic and has to be combined with very high interest rates to halt reckless borrowing and in my view much larger tax increases targeted at corporations and the wealthy who must pay back into society for their selfishness.

It is easier for a camel to pass through a needle than it is for a rich man to go to heaven.

Society has to be for the many not the few and the labour manifesto is a first step to returning to the idea that the government must serve the people not the privileged, the tories have failed absolutely by turning a crash into a debt disaster.


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 May 17 8.56pm

Originally posted by susmik

The reference is from John McDonnell !!

To add a bit of humour to a thread that has got so serious::

SNOW WHITE

The seven dwarfs always left to go to work in the mine early each morning.
As always, Snow White stayed home doing her domestic chores.
As lunchtime approached, she would prepare their lunch and carry it to the mine.
One day as she arrived at the mine with the lunch,
she saw that there had been a terrible cave-in.
Tearfully, and fearing the worst, Snow White began calling out, hoping against hope that the dwarfs had somehow survived.
'Hello...Hello !' she shouted. 'Can anyone hear me? Hello !'
For a long while, there was no answer. Losing hope, Snow White again shouted, 'Hello! Is anyone down there?'
Just as she was about to give up all hope, she heard a faint voice from deep within the mine,
"VOTE FOR CORBYN "
Snow White fell to her knees and prayed,
'Oh, thank you, God!

...At least Dopey is still alive !'

Unfortunately that seems to be the height of satire for some. And people actually think it's true (I can't think why with all the pro Labour media.)

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Unfortunately that seems to be the height of satire for some. And people actually think it's true (I can't think why with all the pro Labour media.)

Corbyn is beyond satire.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 May 17 10.27pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Corbyn is beyond satire.

The tories are beyond the pale.

Elderly will have to pay for their own social care - tory manifesto.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

The tories are beyond the pale.

Elderly will have to pay for their own social care - tory manifesto.

As a generalization the elderly will vote Tory regardless because they remember the seventies and secondly because they instinctively don't like people who stood up for the IRA when they were murdering our soldiers....and basically promoted any anti western movement out there.

Corbyn has no chance in hell with the elderly and he knows it.

 


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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 17 May 17 10.53pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by susmik

It is not only me that thinks Corbyns manifesto will kill this country:

"BUSINESS grandee and former Labour Minister Digby Jones claims “ignorant” Jeremy Corbyn will spark an exodus from Britain.
He has said Labour leader’s barmy manifesto would bankrupt the country.
And he said: “If this guy becomes Prime Minister the best shares to buy would be British Airways because of all the people who’ll be buying one-way tickets out of the country.”

Referring to yesterday’s manifesto launch, he said: “I watched it open mouthed.
“Anybody under the age of 45 will forget what it was like when Socialists last had their hand in the cookie jar.”
And he went on: “But the IMF ran the country, and when they didn’t the trade unions did.
The strikes were so bad you couldn’t bury the dead.”
He added: “When I watched today I thought this guy is living in another world.
He says he’ll nationalise the water industry. How? By issuing bonds.”
Issuing bonds doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay, it just means you’re delaying it. It’s incredible ignorance.”

Tim Knox of the Centre for Policy Studies said Britain would become the “sick man of Europe” under Labour.
He said: “Labour would take us straight back to the 1970s: penal tax rates, union domination, economic chaos. The UK would be badly governed, badly managed and badly behaved.
“The best and brightest would leave. Graduates, footballers and entrepreneurs would be the first to go, followed by scientists, artists and businessmen and women.
Each person who leaves would not only stop paying income tax but they would also stop buying things from the shops and would stop employing
skilled labour.”

Now as for saying my analysis is asinine I think you are the one that is brain washed and not thinking straight. You are so Labour you cannot see the wood for the trees. Its a good job former Labour Minister Digby Jones has seen the light because you certainly have not and it is a waste of time debating with you as so many others in this thread have realised.

I haven't followed anything politics wise today but yesterday when asked about labour using figures from the Mirror and Private eye (I think) that cost some of the manifesto Thornberry couldn't deny it. I not aware of anything today that expands on that.

 


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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I haven't followed anything politics wise today but yesterday when asked about labour using figures from the Mirror and Private eye (I think) that cost some of the manifesto Thornberry couldn't deny it. I not aware of anything today that expands on that.

Not sure about recently but the Mirror had a good record on their economic forecasting at one time and Private Eye might still think that 2 + 2 = 4 unlike 'The Economist'

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 May 17 11.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Corbyn is beyond satire.

And you are Beyonce

 

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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I haven't followed anything politics wise today but yesterday when asked about labour using figures from the Mirror and Private eye (I think) that cost some of the manifesto Thornberry couldn't deny it. I not aware of anything today that expands on that.

Our media is sick. Private Eye is much better than the Telegraph, Daily Mail, The Sun and the Evening Standard. Most of our papers are run by rich people to support the interests of rich people. They are con artists.

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The link is a bit of a rant but it raises a good point about the illusion of a free press.

 

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