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| Hoof Hearted 03 May 16 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
PS I think you will find that many are convinced by the lasting peace argument for the EU including the Nobel committee. Putin and Le Pen maybe be saying differently I grant you. Trying to "play the man" again Johnny? I'll remind you for the 2nd time today that your posts have little effect on my moods and sensitivity. The sketch was hilarious..... NOT.... but full marks for trying to bring humour into the equation. I will refer you to subsequent replies from Hrolf, Cucking and Tom in answer to the point you were trying to make.
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 Willo Online  South coast - west of Brighton. 03 May 16 11.46am |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
For clarity, the argument the EU is basically going well ish at the moment? Voting to "Remain" is acquiescing in the EU’s continuing economic, political, fiscal and military amalgamation, in even more bailouts, in the unfolding migration disaster.And of course Britain continuing to put £35Mill into EU coffers every DAY. Edited by Willo (03 May 2016 11.53am)
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Percy of Peckham  Eton Mess 03 May 16 11.51am |
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He was born and raised locally so why shouldn't Farage support his local football team? Good on ya Nige!
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| JohnyBoy 03 May 16 12.04pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Trying to "play the man" again Johnny? I'll remind you for the 2nd time today that your posts have little effect on my moods and sensitivity. The sketch was hilarious..... NOT.... but full marks for trying to bring humour into the equation. I will refer you to subsequent replies from Hrolf, Cucking and Tom in answer to the point you were trying to make. so do I conclude that like Cucking I havnt managed to convince you to vote remain? Cos I thought I was getting somewhere
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| big_palace_fan 03 May 16 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Voting to "Remain" is acquiescing in the EU’s continuing economic, political, fiscal and military amalgamation, in even more bailouts, in the unfolding migration disaster.And of course Britain continuing to put £35Mill into EU coffers every DAY.
From the telegraph: Last year, that rebate reduced our contribution to £12.9 billion. That’s around £200 for every person in the UK. From the Spectator: the UK net contribution to the EU budget is less than 0.5 per cent of British GDP. Frankly the sums we are talking in terms of overal output and government spending they are extremely small. Seems a reasonable price for the benefits we get in my opinion. Think you the money you save due to cheaper prices as part of EU membership and the other benefits such as 3 million jobs directly reliant on in.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 03 May 16 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
I respect everyone right to have differing opinions on this issue. But you really must stand in that booth and question, is the EU basically going pretty well as it is, or do I want to be poorer, my children poorer, my country less important and Europe generally more unstable? That is the question we are facing. I am happy to admit the EU is not perfect and there have been losers but you must ask yourself the above question. Think also, it is really the Eastern European child in a local school, a fruit picking immigrant who gets up at 5am to go to work all day, or the shopkeeper from Romania who is causing the problems in your life? Or is it a corporate and political structure that perpetuates a cycle of privilege and class, and suppresses the working / lower middle classes How do you or anyone else know this?
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| JohnyBoy 03 May 16 12.13pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Voting to "Remain" is acquiescing in the EU’s continuing economic, political, fiscal and military amalgamation, in even more bailouts, in the unfolding migration disaster.And of course Britain continuing to put £35Mill into EU coffers every DAY.
Edited by Willo (03 May 2016 11.53am) So if you do the math Willo. The treasury says that each household will be £4,300 worse off in the event of Brexit. With approximately 19million UK households I make that 81 billion per annum which equates to 1.57 billion per week minus 350m contribution makes us £1.22billion a week better off, kinda compelling numbers don't you think? (ps I know you will contest the figures like the rest of out voters on here but they are provided by the treasury using data from the ONS)
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| Hoof Hearted 03 May 16 12.13pm | |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
so do I conclude that like Cucking I havnt managed to convince you to vote remain? Cos I thought I was getting somewhere You haven't yet Johnny, but keep trying... you never know. One of your reasoned arguments might just tip me over the edge.
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| Hoof Hearted 03 May 16 12.15pm | |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
So if you do the math Willo. The treasury says that each household will be £4,300 worse off in the event of Brexit. With approximately 19million UK households I make that 81 billion per annum which equates to 1.57 billion per week minus 350m contribution makes us £1.22billion a week better off, kinda compelling numbers don't you think? (ps I know you will contest the figures like the rest of out voters on here but they are provided by the treasury using data from the ONS) Stop Shouting.
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| big_palace_fan 03 May 16 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How do you or anyone else know this? Due to extensive reading of the subject and my personal studies of both economics and politics. The confederation of British Industry (sounds like they would be on the side of the average man as you say) said "the direct net economic benefits of membership to the UK are between £62bn and £78bn every year". There is not one single study, many of which are impartial which say we will be better, or at least the same level of prosperity upon leaving. Obviously no one can know for sure, but to quote an economics professor whose blogs I follow "if you keep eating lard, all things remaining equal, you will become fatter". For the second part I have put in bold, to use your own question "How do you or anyone else know this?".
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| Hoof Hearted 03 May 16 12.24pm | |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Due to extensive reading of the subject and my personal studies of both economics and politics. The confederation of British Industry (sounds like they would be on the side of the average man as you say) said "the direct net economic benefits of membership to the UK are between £62bn and £78bn every year". There is not one single study, many of which are impartial which say we will be better, or at least the same level of prosperity upon leaving. Obviously no one can know for sure, but to quote an economics professor whose blogs I follow "if you keep eating lard, all things remaining equal, you will become fatter". For the second part I have put in bold, to use your own question "How do you or anyone else know this?". Sounds like you are reading only one sided commentary and opinion. Nigel Lawson and many other eminent economists are confident that Brexit will not cause hardship. Using your lard analogy shows naivety in that it doesn't follow that eating lard will make you fat if you exercise regularly. I used to have "dripping on toast" as a young lad in the 50's/60's but I was built like a whippet on an exercise regime at school and home of walking, running, cycling, footy, gym work etc.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 03 May 16 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Due to extensive reading of the subject and my personal studies of both economics and politics. The confederation of British Industry (sounds like they would be on the side of the average man as you say) said "the direct net economic benefits of membership to the UK are between £62bn and £78bn every year". There is not one single study, many of which are impartial which say we will be better, or at least the same level of prosperity upon leaving. Obviously no one can know for sure, but to quote an economics professor whose blogs I follow "if you keep eating lard, all things remaining equal, you will become fatter". For the second part I have put in bold, to use your own question "How do you or anyone else know this?". You clearly have more faith in "studies" than I do or ever will do. As for my forecast. I'd have thought that you hardly need to be a genius to predict any of that. Just wait and see.
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