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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Sep 21 1.57pm

Originally posted by kuge

Immigration in the past was not tiny.

Edited by kuge (14 Sep 2021 12.20pm)

True. It was often devastating. Both in cultural and genetic terms.

Apache, Navajo, Celtic Britons from Kent, Gauls in Brittany , the original Southern Spaniards before the Vandals , etc etc......

its a warlike rollercoaster.

Which parts of Britain have already been colonized ?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Sep 21 2.02pm

Originally posted by kuge

The thing about racism is you either choose to pretend that it does not exist and that therefore any effect that it might have must also not exist or you take the position that an influx of immigrants will result in racial tension therefore we should curtail all immigration. You appear to want to have it both ways.

Racism is tribal preference demonized and indoctrinated into western societies initially by the communists but now its tenets are supported by the whole political class....any serious analysis shows how ridiculous the whole thing is....practically Maoist.

European nations have less tribal preference than any other nations in the world, yet they are subject to this nonsense, precisely because interests know this weakness allows them in.....it's an excuse, if they actually believed in racism they would be investigating the groups where tribal preference is highest...but they aren't interested.

In terms of the UK, it doesn't really matter what I want, the European country of my birth is dying because of the unspoken interests of the ideological left and the economic right. It's far too late to stop.

However, for Japan, it isn't......they shouldn't let their society be abused by those who seek to radically change it.....and automation will largely solve their population issues....as stated, increasing immigration is a self defeating pyramid scheme.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2021 2.03pm)

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Sep 21 2.07pm


To take a different tack on this I miss the way London used to be. Maybe it’s just getting older because let’s face it London in the 1970s was a grey and pretty miserable place which could be dangerous if you went to the wrong places but it was home.
Accepting all the cliches about the inevitability of change I miss the way things were and don’t see why this should be dismissed or demonised as racism or xenophobia or anything other than nostalgia for a disappeared world.
Maybe I just miss being young.

 

DanH Flag SW2 14 Sep 21 2.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is the most nonsensical drivel I have seen today and that is saying something.

The existing population is shrinking, and the immigrant population is growing. At this rate, the latter will absorb the former at some point. This is not debatable, it is inevitable.
Only an idiot would argue with basic maths.

Leftists idiots want to hide this fact by talking about 'the Far Right'.

Most of them can't even add up, so I doubt they invented it.

All the quotes I posted are from a report by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue following the terrorist attack in Christchurch.

[Link]

Those paragraphs I posted are exactly the theories that are posted on here - almost to the letter. They are old as day far right conspiracy theories based on fear and disinformation. It is online radicalisation in its purest form.

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Sep 21 2.22pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The existing population is shrinking, and the immigrant population is growing.

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new arrivals and sky-high fertility for some groups. Often with high rates of longterm unemployment.

Other groups ? not reproducing, and often saying 'feck this, i am out of here'

 


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kuge Flag Peckham 14 Sep 21 2.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

London is not representative of Britain.

Have you ever seen old films of crowd scenes before the 1940s? You will hardly see a Black face. Some immigrants are White of course, but most people in this country have a genetic heritage going back hundreds if not thousands of years. That is about to change.

You seem to be obsessed with Huguenots, and that's not surprising since they are White Protestant and European. Hardly any different to the existing population and with the added bonus of skills. Yes, we can see why you are obsessed with them.

We all know that migrants have been coming here for years. Yes, a trickle have been coming here for centuries when Britain had a tiny population and there was an abundance of land and resources.
This is not just about crime. It's about politics, culture, religion, sectarianism, resources, national security and the very survival of the existing population.
The current trend will mean that the existing population will be virtually replaced in a few generations. Those that are here will struggle for housing, water, energy, and health care.

You want to argue about Romans and quibble about crime statistics, but the bigger picture is about much more.

I wonder if the Beaker people told the locals how lucky they were to get new technology, or if Homo Sapiens provided statistics to the Neanderthals to show them that they had nothing to worry about.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Sep 2021 12.54pm)

Yes, London is not representative of Britain, however, London and a few other major cities are where the majority of immigrants have settled. If I was presenting data about Dorset or Wales you would quite rightly say that it was not relevant. London has been a cosmopolitan city since at least 1500 if not earlier.

Films of crowds in the 1940s are not imperial data, it’s just an anecdotal observation of no real value. I am sure that you are aware of this and to be frank, I am surprised that you think this is worth mentioning.

Most people in Britain have rather diverse genetic profiles, this shows us how much our ancestors moved around in the past.

I am not obsessed with Huguenots, but let’s face it they as a case study fascinating. If we are going to discuss immigration the Huguenots represent one of the largest groups to have come to Britain in the past few hundred years. We can, however, if you wish discuss Jews, Irish, Jamaicans, Ugandan Asians, Chinese or Italians.

Sometimes you want to look at the ‘bigger picture’ which I take to mean immigration to Britain over a long period and then you want to go back to just the post war period.

The arrival of Beaker culture did indeed bring advanced technology and whist I am sure some locals failed to see the benefits others embraced it. Not wishing, in particular, to return to the Romans, the technology that they introduced was not valued much by the ‘locals’ once they had left.

 

BlueJay Flag UK 14 Sep 21 2.29pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


To take a different tack on this I miss the way London used to be. Maybe it’s just getting older because let’s face it London in the 1970s was a grey and pretty miserable place which could be dangerous if you went to the wrong places but it was home.
Accepting all the cliches about the inevitability of change I miss the way things were and don’t see why this should be dismissed or demonised as racism or xenophobia or anything other than nostalgia for a disappeared world.
Maybe I just miss being young.

Many are so driven by their politics they 'miss' times before they were even alive. At least you miss a period you experienced and more importantly one that actually existed in a real and lived way.

A salient and thoughtful point on age too. Do we miss our favourite songs because they're better, or because of what they meant to us at a different stage of life..

Not that any of this means that society should change at a pace that citizens of it are unhappy with.. However the realities of life have to also sit alongside our ideals and emotions. Where the latter turns us against people based on their race and the like in unhealthy ways, we need to take a step back. Most are sane enough to not develop such malignancy to begin with though and those that do typically just don't like people in general. Having extra, often nonsensical, reasons to distance themselves from others is just a bonus for them.


Edited by BlueJay (14 Sep 2021 2.30pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Sep 21 2.31pm

Originally posted by DanH

All the quotes I posted are from a report by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue following the terrorist attack in Christchurch.

[Link]

Those paragraphs I posted are exactly the theories that are posted on here - almost to the letter. They are old as day far right conspiracy theories based on fear and disinformation. It is online radicalisation in its purest form.

So what you are suggesting is that population replacement is a figment of someone's imagination.

[Link]

European populations among others are not having enough children to sustain themselves. The increase in population is all due to immigration and the offspring of those immigrants.
What do you think will happen if current trends continue or increase, as is most likely?

I know you would rather post propaganda than accept facts, but that has always been your problem.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Sep 21 2.43pm

Originally posted by kuge

Yes, London is not representative of Britain, however, London and a few other major cities are where the majority of immigrants have settled. If I was presenting data about Dorset or Wales you would quite rightly say that it was not relevant. London has been a cosmopolitan city since at least 1500 if not earlier.

Films of crowds in the 1940s are not imperial data, it’s just an anecdotal observation of no real value. I am sure that you are aware of this and to be frank, I am surprised that you think this is worth mentioning.

Most people in Britain have rather diverse genetic profiles, this shows us how much our ancestors moved around in the past.

I am not obsessed with Huguenots, but let’s face it they as a case study fascinating. If we are going to discuss immigration the Huguenots represent one of the largest groups to have come to Britain in the past few hundred years. We can, however, if you wish discuss Jews, Irish, Jamaicans, Ugandan Asians, Chinese or Italians.

Sometimes you want to look at the ‘bigger picture’ which I take to mean immigration to Britain over a long period and then you want to go back to just the post war period.

The arrival of Beaker culture did indeed bring advanced technology and whist I am sure some locals failed to see the benefits others embraced it. Not wishing, in particular, to return to the Romans, the technology that they introduced was not valued much by the ‘locals’ once they had left.

So what you see with your own eyes in a film is not good evidence? That was real life, not questionable data.
Most White British people have British genes going back hundreds, if not thousands of years. Genes from abroad come from various migrations that occurred 1000 or more years ago. Viking, Jute, Friesian, Norman etc as you would expect, and those genes are in single figure percentages because of their distance in time.

You twist the truth to suit your agenda and we have heard it all before. It was misleading then and it still is now.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 14 Sep 21 2.45pm

Originally posted by DanH

All the quotes I posted are from a report by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue following the terrorist attack in Christchurch.

[Link]

Those paragraphs I posted are exactly the theories that are posted on here - almost to the letter. They are old as day far right conspiracy theories based on fear and disinformation. It is online radicalisation in its purest form.

Is Islam radicalization then if some of its adherents commit terrorist attacks?

Because you seem to be suggesting that an idea, even if no advocating for violence is supported, shouldn't be expressed.

I don't know of anyone who supported what that guy did.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2021 2.50pm)

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Sep 21 2.47pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So what you are suggesting is that population replacement is a figment of someone's imagination.

[Link]

oooh, be careful. He may play his secret weapon and accuse you of being a racist !!!!! i am terrified.

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Sep 21 3.05pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

oooh, be careful. He may play his secret weapon and accuse you of being a racist !!!!! i am terrified.

Probably. He only seems to know a handful of words.

 

kuge Flag Peckham 14 Sep 21 3.29pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So what you see with your own eyes in a film is not good evidence? That was real life, not questionable data.
Most White British people have British genes going back hundreds, if not thousands of years. Genes from abroad come from various migrations that occurred 1000 or more years ago. Viking, Jute, Friesian, Norman etc as you would expect, and those genes are in single figure percentages because of their distance in time.

You twist the truth to suit your agenda and we have heard it all before. It was misleading then and it still is now.

Indeed the film evidence that you present is very weak. When and where were the films made and what was the intention behind the making of the films. If you presented this as a research methodology in an academic context you would be laughed out of the room.

What are British genes? It's a constantly shifting profile that was different in 500, 1000, 1300, 1600, 1945, etc

As this fascinating study shows there is no such thing as British genes.
[Link]

White people in Britain will likely have all the genetic variants that you posted, but also there will be more recent genes, for instance from Jewish or Irish heritage.

You will need to demonstrate what truth has been twisted if your statement is to have any validity. You say that you have heard these arguments before. Please can you outline exactly what you have heard before and why you choose to characterise it as misleading?

 

kuge Flag Peckham 14 Sep 21 3.39pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Racism is tribal preference demonized and indoctrinated into western societies initially by the communists but now its tenets are supported by the whole political class....any serious analysis shows how ridiculous the whole thing is....practically Maoist.

European nations have less tribal preference than any other nations in the world, yet they are subject to this nonsense, precisely because interests know this weakness allows them in.....it's an excuse, if they actually believed in racism they would be investigating the groups where tribal preference is highest...but they aren't interested.

In terms of the UK, it doesn't really matter what I want, the European country of my birth is dying because of the unspoken interests of the ideological left and the economic right. It's far too late to stop.

However, for Japan, it isn't......they shouldn't let their society be abused by those who seek to radically change it.....and automation will largely solve their population issues....as stated, increasing immigration is a self defeating pyramid scheme.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2021 2.03pm)

I was aware that some people deny the existence of racism or attempt to redefine what racism is to suit their agenda. It's still a surprise to see this being put forward as a serious idea. We have heard a lot about denial here, without doubt, to deny racism exists is the ultimate denial.

The idea that automation will solve everything is often trotted out. The presentation of an aged population minded by robots might make an interesting SiFi film by it does not suggest a bright future. Japan will make its own choices, maybe they will solve it by increasing the birth rate. Although that's unlikely as I think it would now require every woman of childbearing age in Japan to have 3+ children.

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 14 Sep 21 3.46pm

The first thing we must ask for, when the dingy glides on to the Dover shore, is, can you drive a HGV?, and can you play tennis? Mite as well take the cream de la creme, before sending the rest to be processed!

 

Stirlingsays Flag 14 Sep 21 3.49pm

Originally posted by kuge

I was aware that some people deny the existence of racism or attempt to redefine what racism is to suit their agenda. It's still a surprise to see this being put forward as a serious idea. We have heard a lot about denial here, without doubt, to deny racism exists is the ultimate denial.

I've denied something?

I think rather it suits your agenda.....if the history of the word is looked into I think what I've said speaks the truth.

Originally posted by kuge

The idea that automation will solve everything is often trotted out. The presentation of an aged population minded by robots might make an interesting SiFi film by it does not suggest a bright future. Japan will make its own choices, maybe they will solve it by increasing the birth rate. Although that's unlikely as I think it would now require every woman of childbearing age in Japan to have 3+ children.

I think automation will certainly be part of the answer.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Sep 21 3.52pm

Originally posted by kuge

Indeed the film evidence that you present is very weak. When and where were the films made and what was the intention behind the making of the films. If you presented this as a research methodology in an academic context you would be laughed out of the room.

What are British genes? It's a constantly shifting profile that was different in 500, 1000, 1300, 1600, 1945, etc

As this fascinating study shows there is no such thing as British genes.
[Link]

White people in Britain will likely have all the genetic variants that you posted, but also there will be more recent genes, for instance from Jewish or Irish heritage.

You will need to demonstrate what truth has been twisted if your statement is to have any validity. You say that you have heard these arguments before. Please can you outline exactly what you have heard before and why you choose to characterise it as misleading?

On genes, you are just wrong. The additional genes you talk about are insignificant. Irish genes are British in my book, just like Scottish or Welsh. You are clutching at straws again.

Film or video evidence is very good evidence as long as the context can be established. The police use it all the time.

I really don't care what you believe at the end of the day. I trust my own eyes and judgement. A lot of selective statistics and whataboutism makes no difference to simple facts.

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Sep 21 4.26pm

Originally posted by kuge


You will need to demonstrate what truth has been twisted if your statement is to have any validity.

You say that you have heard these arguments before.

Please can you outline exactly what you have heard before and why you choose to characterise it as misleading?

i have heard that paid trolls contribute nothing to an argument. Only contradiction, negativity and insults.

that is what i heard.

And in other news, Henry viii was black.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Sep 21 4.38pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

i have heard that paid trolls contribute nothing to an argument. Only contradiction, negativity and insults.

that is what i heard.

And in other news, Henry viii was black.

Funny how people just turn up on politics threads with loads of links having never done it before.

It's almost like they are part of a sleeper cell.

 

DanH Flag SW2 14 Sep 21 7.36pm

Jesus Christ, listen to yourselves you two.

These aren’t your boards. Other people are allowed to post too. And people that disagree with you, prove you wrong or make you look silly are not ‘trolls’.

 

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