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hedgehog50  Croydon 12 Jan 17 9.33am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
You may be right. The world economy puts us in the middle of the ocean in a lifeboat.Trouble is, Brexit means our limited supply of food and water is about to spill overboard too... Bloody Brexit, I expect all those unemployed young Spaniards, Greeks and Italians are laughing at us and are so relieved their countries are on the mighty SS EU (aka Titanic).
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| legaleagle 12 Jan 17 9.36am |
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Did you never hear of the South Sea Bubble?
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| .TUX. 12 Jan 17 9.48am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
You may be right. The world economy puts us in the middle of the ocean in a lifeboat.Trouble is, Brexit means our limited supply of food and water is about to spill overboard too... Regardless of Brexit, this'll probably happen anyway (to some degree).
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jan 17 10.09am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Did you never hear of the South Sea Bubble? Angela Merkel worrying about bring re-elected?
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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 serial thriller The Promised Land 12 Jan 17 4.39pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
Take away the fact he's wrong on pretty much everything, his ability to interact with voters is pitiful. Not only does he not reflect any of their concerns, nor does he have any solutions to them. Plus he can barely string two sentences together. Chocolate teapot. My ideas have never even been nearly enacted by a rime minister in my lifetime mate, I don't expect it to change! But I can at least be confident in Corbyn trying on matters I think are important. I think us letting tens of thousands of refugees drown in the sea is a scandal. I know it's something he cares about. I think inequality is a f*cking joke in Britain. It's what he's spent his whole life campaigning about. I think the very idea of establishing an NHS then let it fall in to ruin is a sign of a sick society. Ditto him. Ok so his delivery's s*** but it's hardly helped by a media with a fairly explicit bias against him as Nick says. But compare it to the other side. I mean, what do the Tories even believe in? I honestly find it amazing that this question isn't asked more. Is there actually a firm thing they're moving towards or are they just prattling out empty bullsh*t like 'red white and blue brexit', 'caring society' and hoping everyone continues not to realise that they actually haven't got a f***ing clue what to do?
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| matt_himself Matataland 12 Jan 17 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
My ideas have never even been nearly enacted by a rime minister in my lifetime mate, I don't expect it to change! But I can at least be confident in Corbyn trying on matters I think are important. I think us letting tens of thousands of refugees drown in the sea is a scandal. I know it's something he cares about. I think inequality is a f*cking joke in Britain. It's what he's spent his whole life campaigning about. I think the very idea of establishing an NHS then let it fall in to ruin is a sign of a sick society. Ditto him. Ok so his delivery's s*** but it's hardly helped by a media with a fairly explicit bias against him as Nick says. But compare it to the other side. I mean, what do the Tories even believe in? I honestly find it amazing that this question isn't asked more. Is there actually a firm thing they're moving towards or are they just prattling out empty bullsh*t like 'red white and blue brexit', 'caring society' and hoping everyone continues not to realise that they actually haven't got a f***ing clue what to do? I genuinely don't believe that Jezza believes in a 'big vision'. I believe he supports a number of fractured, single issue pressure groups. He spouts off about a 'fairer society' in a similar manner to May's 'Big society' or whatever that twaddle is called. Both positions have no science behind them and are designed to, A) placate their supporters in their Party, and B) try to get votes. The only leader of a British party who had a vision recently was Nigel. And he delivered his vision to the people. How I miss him...
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jan 17 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
My ideas have never even been nearly enacted by a rime minister in my lifetime mate, I don't expect it to change! But I can at least be confident in Corbyn trying on matters I think are important. I think us letting tens of thousands of refugees drown in the sea is a scandal. I know it's something he cares about. I think inequality is a f*cking joke in Britain. It's what he's spent his whole life campaigning about. I think the very idea of establishing an NHS then let it fall in to ruin is a sign of a sick society. Ditto him. Ok so his delivery's s*** but it's hardly helped by a media with a fairly explicit bias against him as Nick says. But compare it to the other side. I mean, what do the Tories even believe in? I honestly find it amazing that this question isn't asked more. Is there actually a firm thing they're moving towards or are they just prattling out empty bullsh*t like 'red white and blue brexit', 'caring society' and hoping everyone continues not to realise that they actually haven't got a f***ing clue what to do? It's actually a strength of the Tories not believing in specific things that become millstones around their necks, they can adapt as things change, doctrinaire socialists cannot.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jan 17 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
My ideas have never even been nearly enacted by a rime minister in my lifetime mate, I don't expect it to change! But I can at least be confident in Corbyn trying on matters I think are important. I think us letting tens of thousands of refugees drown in the sea is a scandal. I know it's something he cares about. I think inequality is a f*cking joke in Britain. It's what he's spent his whole life campaigning about. I think the very idea of establishing an NHS then let it fall in to ruin is a sign of a sick society. Ditto him. Ok so his delivery's s*** but it's hardly helped by a media with a fairly explicit bias against him as Nick says. But compare it to the other side. I mean, what do the Tories even believe in? I honestly find it amazing that this question isn't asked more. Is there actually a firm thing they're moving towards or are they just prattling out empty bullsh*t like 'red white and blue brexit', 'caring society' and hoping everyone continues not to realise that they actually haven't got a f***ing clue what to do? PM's feel under pressure to 'mean' something and if they can find a phrase that resonates with the public they must trot it out even tho its 'meaningless.' I like 'brexit means brexit' the PM did well to say nothing there.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 12 Jan 17 6.16pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
It's actually a strength of the Tories not believing in specific things that become millstones around their necks, they can adapt as things change, doctrinaire socialists cannot. So we should vote for politicians who have the fewest beliefs then? I find your analysis really intriguing. What do you feel the Tories have managed to do with their visionless chamelionism? To my mind, their lassez faire attitude to ideology has seen them set up an insane referendum which has divided both themselves and the country, and then jumped in to bed with Trump at the first chance! It is political blairism at its most nauseating.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 12 Jan 17 6.19pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I genuinely don't believe that Jezza believes in a 'big vision'. I believe he supports a number of fractured, single issue pressure groups. He spouts off about a 'fairer society' in a similar manner to May's 'Big society' or whatever that twaddle is called. Both positions have no science behind them and are designed to, A) placate their supporters in their Party, and B) try to get votes. The only leader of a British party who had a vision recently was Nigel. And he delivered his vision to the people. How I miss him... But i thought he was a stalinist! It seems, occasionally, like you will use any stick to beat those you disagree with my friend, even when theyattack from totally different angles
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jan 17 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
So we should vote for politicians who have the fewest beliefs then? I find your analysis really intriguing. What do you feel the Tories have managed to do with their visionless chamelionism? To my mind, their lassez faire attitude to ideology has seen them set up an insane referendum which has divided both themselves and the country, and then jumped in to bed with Trump at the first chance! It is political blairism at its most nauseating. Yes, up to a point. Better to have leaders who can react to reality without worrying about sacred cows, zealots tend to plough on with policies that are not working because their 'theory' tells them it's right. Like the Remainers who, in the face of an obviously failing EU, refuse to abandon their pipe-dream of it working.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| matt_himself Matataland 12 Jan 17 6.46pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But i thought he was a stalinist! It seems, occasionally, like you will use any stick to beat those you disagree with my friend, even when theyattack from totally different angles I said he had Stalinist tendencies and being a control freak, given the whole Momentum thing is about control of Labour, I stand by that. Please ignore what I say with deflection. I will answer the deflections but it makes you look like you can't back up what you say or debate in a cogent manner.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| .TUX. 12 Jan 17 7.33pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
My ideas have never even been nearly enacted by a rime minister in my lifetime mate, I don't expect it to change! But I can at least be confident in Corbyn trying on matters I think are important. I think us letting tens of thousands of refugees drown in the sea is a scandal. I know it's something he cares about. I think inequality is a f*cking joke in Britain. It's what he's spent his whole life campaigning about. I think the very idea of establishing an NHS then let it fall in to ruin is a sign of a sick society. Ditto him. Ok so his delivery's s*** but it's hardly helped by a media with a fairly explicit bias against him as Nick says. But compare it to the other side. I mean, what do the Tories even believe in? I honestly find it amazing that this question isn't asked more. Is there actually a firm thing they're moving towards or are they just prattling out empty bullsh*t like 'red white and blue brexit', 'caring society' and hoping everyone continues not to realise that they actually haven't got a f***ing clue what to do? Like.
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| matt_himself Matataland 12 Jan 17 9.26pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Seconded. JC may be a career politician/hack,with all that goes with that..and while I agree with a lot of what he says (far from all),I'm very far from his biggest fan .BUT compared to the bilge opposite and the pure effluent spouted when you wash the PR away in terms of what "we" are becoming collectively ...no argument if its a straight choice between him and Teresa May(be I'm fifth rate,maybe only fourth rate) I knew someone at work.Bulgarian.Worked really hard,she and her husband.Ace people. They had an issue with the Home Office because the case officer was talking out of their backside.No votes in it for Corbyn but as local MP he put himself out to help them. Was really impressive How long would most of the fourth rate (am I being too generous?) Tory front bench last with the public if exposed to the ridicule and spleen chucked at Corbyn every day?About as long as Boris sticks to a "belief" before changing it Why don't you support a politician who follows his convictions and delivers what he says he is going to do? Choose life. Choose Farage.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| legaleagle 12 Jan 17 9.31pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Why don't you support a politician who follows his convictions and delivers what he says he is going to do? Choose life. Choose Farage. Oh right,you mean the one that said there should be a second referendum if the vote was 52:48 and did a u turn shortly thereafter.Choose hypocrisy.Choose Farage Forget views but I'd wager Corbyn has a lot more personal integrity in that regard than our friend Nige.. Nige is an archetypal political hack.
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| matt_himself Matataland 12 Jan 17 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Oh right,you mean the one that said there should be a second referendum if the vote was 52:48 and did a u turn shortly thereafter.Choose hypocrisy.Choose Farage Forget views but I'd wager Corbyn has a lot more personal integrity in that regard than our friend Nige.. Nige is an archetypal political hack. Really? Jezza says he wants freedom, democracy, fairness, free speech, etc., and then his Momentum cronies squash any dissent in Labour by using cheap insults and bullying. They say you should judge a man by the company he keeps: Edited by matt_himself (12 Jan 2017 9.42pm)
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| legaleagle 12 Jan 17 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Really? Jezza says he wants freedom, democracy, fairness, free speech, etc., and then his Momentum cronies squash any dissent in Labour by using cheap insults and bullying. They say you should judge a man by the company he keeps, ergo, judge Jezza by Momentum. Ask Angela Eagle about Momentum's tolerance. But that's no answer to my point though it bears some resemblance to internal goings on within UKIP since June.. All politicians are of a similar ilk (including Nige).Thought you at least realised that,even while supporting the guy whose views you agree with..Jezza better than most.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jan 17 9.48pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Really? Jezza says he wants freedom, democracy, fairness, free speech, etc., and then his Momentum cronies squash any dissent in Labour by using cheap insults and bullying. They say you should judge a man by the company he keeps, ergo, judge Jezza by Momentum. Ask Angela Eagle about Momentum's tolerance. Edited by matt_himself (12 Jan 2017 9.38pm) Anything newer than that 6 month old news? Momentum are currently a seperate group to Labour (I thought you would have known this having posted the same thing about them so many times) although they voted for a rule change asking members to join labour. This will mean that a lot of people involved with momentum will have to leave as they've been barred from being Labour party members (many for spurious reasons)
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| matt_himself Matataland 12 Jan 17 9.48pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
But that's no answer to my point though it bears some resemblance to internal goings on within UKIP since June.. All politicians are of a similar ilk (including Nige).Thought you at least realised that,even while supporting the guy whose views you agree with..Jezza better than most. Nigel was honest and consistent about what he wanted. And he achieved it. Do you think the same of Jezza? Honestly.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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