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 OknotOK  Cockfosters, London 29 Jun 16 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Big gamble, because its likely that the Unions could go either way, and Labour is very much dependent on Union support and funding. Plus that new party would have to compete with the Greens and Lib Dems... Its a long way from starting a new party to getting a MP. Agreed, which is why I think the 2nd is the best option. If you believe he is that bad then let him have the rope....
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| Sportyteacher London 29 Jun 16 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
According to party rules, Corbyn (as the incumbent who is not resigning) will automatically be on the ballot. He doesn't even need to secure the 30+ MPs backing him. It's not inconceivable that his support amongst the membership - which was overwhelming 9 months ago - could have collapsed. But is is pretty unlikely. So I would say there is a very good chance he will be re-elected as leader. I see Labour MPs therefore having two options: 1. Splinter and set up their own centre-left party or 2. Accept Corbyn, and let him fight the next general election, assuming it is in the autumn. If they chose 2, then they have to just shut-the-fcuk-up because if they don't and continue the back-biting then he will have an argument for why he loses. If they do stay quiet and relatively supportive then the only two scenarios are a) he wins (which appears unlikely) or b) he loses and all but his closest allies start to drift away accepting that his hard-left policies aren't going to win. But keep mouthing off and stabbing him in the back and I think he could keep clinging on. This is surely what is on the cards for Labour Party, irrespective of Corbyn decision, as elected MPs are just too divided on working to the roots of The Party as opposed to those who adopt a more centre ground modernist approach. The Conservatives are facing their own divide with EU as well as far right and centre ground factions.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Jun 16 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Agreed, which is why I think the 2nd is the best option. If you believe he is that bad then let him have the rope.... Problem is, a large part of those who vote labour would likely stick with the Labour party, as would many trade unionist members. The centre right of the Labour Party and the Blairites have always been distanced from the more grass root membership, and dependent on their ability to deliver enough middle class, and upper working class votes, to give labour a victory (Blair).
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Jun 16 6.46pm |
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from facef*** aav page Did you know that he's a guy called Tom Mauchline who works for a dodgy Blairite PR company called Portland Communication, and that he submitted the video to the BBC himself? Did you know that Portland Communications is one of the main driving forces behind the anti-democratic Blairite coup attempt against Jeremy Corbyn? Imagine if you submitted a video of yourself slagging off a politician in the street, do you think the BBC would stick it up on their website immediately? Do you think that the BBC had an obligation to explain Tom Mauchline's clear conflict of political interest, rather than making out that he was just some Ordinary Joe member of the public? Do you think it is suspicious that the role of Portland Communications has not been mentioned once in any of the Corbyn coup coverage provided by supposedly left-liberal newspapers like The Guardian (one of their former executive editors works for Portland), the Independent, the Daily Mirror or by the BBC (who were ever so keen to post Mauchline's video)? Do you trust the mainstream corporate press and the BBC to give you the full picture, or do you understand that their job is to condition you to believe what the powers that be want you to believe, regardless of the actual facts?
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 7.52pm |
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Corbyn supporters at it again
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| Sportyteacher London 29 Jun 16 7.55pm |
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Both Conservatives and Labour Parties are currently imploding which reflects the sad state of Parliament at present. Very little is actually going on to support the everyday best interests of the electorate. I've more time for the SNP at the moment...
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jun 16 8.06pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Both Conservatives and Labour Parties are currently imploding which reflects the sad state of Parliament at present. Very little is actually going on to support the everyday best interests of the electorate. I've more time for the SNP at the moment... The SNP act in the interests of the SNP.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Jun 16 9.20pm |
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Angela Eagle has changed her tune...
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Meanwhile... I hear that Labour MPs are getting death threats from Corbyn supporters.
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| Palacetinian Surrey Fam 29 Jun 16 9.54pm |
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BREAKING: joint unions’ statement on Corbyn Last week’s vote to leave the European Union presents the entire labour movement with unprecedented challenges. Above all, we need to be fighting to preserve our members’ jobs, already under threat in several industries and across the public sector as a consequence. The government is in crisis, but already serious debates are taking place and decisions being made which profoundly affect the interests of working people. Under these circumstances, our members and millions of others will be looking with dismay at the events in Parliament. It cannot be right to seek to denude the Labour front bench at this time, when the government more than ever needs to be scrutinised and held to account by an effective and united opposition that does the job it is paid to do. Jeremy Corbyn is the democratically-elected Leader of our party who secured such a resounding mandate less than ten months ago under an electoral procedure fully supported by Labour MPs. His position cannot and should not be challenged except through the proper democratic procedures provided for in the p[arty’s constitution. We urge all Labour MPs to abide by those procedures, and to respect the authority of the party’s leader. While we have stated that we believe a Leadership election would be an unwelcome distraction at this time of crisis, if one nevertheless occurs through the proper procedures we would expect all parts of the party to honour the result and pull together in the interests of the country, and working people in particular. The only party that can win for working people is a strong and united Labour Party. Len McCluskey, General Secretary, Unite the Union Dave Prentis, General Secretary, UNISON Tim Roache, General Secretary, GMB Dave Ward, General Secretary, CWU Brian Rye, Acting General Secretary, UCATT Manuel Cortes, General Secretary, TSSA Mick Whelan, General Secretary, ASLEF Matt Wrack, General Secretary, FBU Ronnie Draper, General Secretary, BFAWU Chris Kitchen, General Secretary, NUM
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 10.14pm |
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Momentum should take along hard look at themselves
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| Anerley-Fried-Eagle Fake Beckenham actually 29 Jun 16 10.15pm |
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Corbyn must win and will win the new leadership election. Why? Because there is a mood within the country and in this case within labour supporters to give politicians a bloody nose. Significantly, Corbyn is also just about the only voice that is putting forward any arguments promoting a fairer society and a left wing agenda. How many other politicians do you here talking of banning zerohours contracts? The overwhelming majority of labour and old lib dem voters for that matter reject austerity and dint wish to see Labour return to a Blairite Tory light agenda. The fact of this situation is we have a bulk of Labout MPs either completely divorced from the true left wing ideals of your average Joe, or so swollowed up by the Westminster machine that they are motivated by solely by career and the chance to move up the ministerial greasy pole. When all is said and done a significant percentage of the country demands an end to the Thatcherite policies of the last 37 years and Labour sympathisers will be more than happy to pay £3 to re-elect Corbyn. It will also be true that the current FPTP voting system is now incapable of refelcting the current splinters in society and has to be reformed.
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