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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Well, if you want to give the job to the private sector I guess you could pass it on to GPs, each of whom is self employed. The owner of the premises makes a LOT of money from it too. I have just done a WRES report. It is mandated, you have no choice. It is also pretty weak in comparison with what top Private Sector organisations do. As so many people working in the NHS are from BME groups it is viewed as important to demonstrate there is fairness in the system. But GPs are doing it already. That's my point. And yes, I accept that GPS are self-employed bu aren't most consultants/surgeons working in the NHS self-employed too? I don't quite see what point you're trying to make. As far as I can see, this job advert is for a role that is already being fulfilled, on the ground, at GP level so I can't see the value in someone else further up in the Trust hierarchy duplicating it. Although unsourced (but I trust you), do those statistics you quoted tell the whole story? Is the figure for the US or Germany spent by government or by the (private) healthcare industry? In other words, is it public expenditure? I take your point that WRES reports (had to look up what they actually were and grimaced) are mandatory, but why? Is it to monitor 'equality' (whatever that means) for staff or for patients? 'Equality' in or for what? Is it more important than actually hiring staff to heal the sick, which is what I understood to be one of the NHS's primary raisons d'être? And what 'fairness' towards BMEs (which I presume is a euphemism for ethnic minorities) needs someone on a large salary to monitor? Again, this is money which is diverted from the main task of the provision of healthcare. I'm guessing that you actually work in or close to the NHS so I'm always happy to hear your take on the situation but I find it irritating to hear the hackneyed whining about how the NHS is chronically underfunded when firstly you see lumpy salaries on offer for what many would see as non-jobs and secondly when the NHS is perceived as bureaucratically top-heavy. For instance, what is the ratio of clinical to admin staff? Your unnecessary and aggressive use of statistics is allowed, as long as context is explained when given. Thanks! Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Well, if you want to give the job to the private sector I guess you could pass it on to GPs, each of whom is self employed. The owner of the premises makes a LOT of money from it too.

I have just done a WRES report. It is mandated, you have no choice. It is also pretty weak in comparison with what top Private Sector organisations do. As so many people working in the NHS are from BME groups it is viewed as important to demonstrate there is fairness in the system.

But GPs are doing it already. That's my point. And yes, I accept that GPS are self-employed bu aren't most consultants/surgeons working in the NHS self-employed too? I don't quite see what point you're trying to make. As far as I can see, this job advert is for a role that is already being fulfilled, on the ground, at GP level so I can't see the value in someone else further up in the Trust hierarchy duplicating it.

Although unsourced (but I trust you), do those statistics you quoted tell the whole story? Is the figure for the US or Germany spent by government or by the (private) healthcare industry? In other words, is it public expenditure?

I take your point that WRES reports (had to look up what they actually were and grimaced) are mandatory, but why? Is it to monitor 'equality' (whatever that means) for staff or for patients? 'Equality' in or for what? Is it more important than actually hiring staff to heal the sick, which is what I understood to be one of the NHS's primary raisons d'être? And what 'fairness' towards BMEs (which I presume is a euphemism for ethnic minorities) needs someone on a large salary to monitor? Again, this is money which is diverted from the main task of the provision of healthcare.

I'm guessing that you actually work in or close to the NHS so I'm always happy to hear your take on the situation but I find it irritating to hear the hackneyed whining about how the NHS is chronically underfunded when firstly you see lumpy salaries on offer for what many would see as non-jobs and secondly when the NHS is perceived as bureaucratically top-heavy. For instance, what is the ratio of clinical to admin staff?

Your unnecessary and aggressive use of statistics is allowed, as long as context is explained when given.

Thanks!

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

steeleye20 Croydon 03 Jun 17 3.57pm
Originally posted by Willo It's total and utter hogwash and then some. "Money trees" and a letter to Santa Claus. NOT forgetting of course 'Comrade Corbyn' and his £9Billion uncosted new pledges this week. Anyway, off now to do more deliveries ! Edited by Willo (03 Jun 2017 3.47pm) while you are at it can you do the bins as well? so you can pick up the last lot of tory tosh you dropped off.

steeleye20

Croydon 03 Jun 17 3.57pm

Originally posted by Willo

It's total and utter hogwash and then some.
"Money trees" and a letter to Santa Claus.
NOT forgetting of course 'Comrade Corbyn' and his £9Billion uncosted new pledges this week.

Anyway, off now to do more deliveries !

Edited by Willo (03 Jun 2017 3.47pm)

while you are at it can you do the bins as well?

so you can pick up the last lot of tory tosh you dropped off.

robdave2k 03 Jun 17 4.00pm
Originally posted by Jimenez I can never understand why people who moan about zero hours just don't start their own businesses. It has its own problems of course, but no working for the 'Man' Because on one side you have the Tories who want to f* you into oblivion with tax. And On the other side you have Labour who want to f* you into oblivion on the other. If you want to call it candidate v candidate for the genuine self employed person running a small business there is very little to choose. And as for not working for the man, no you end up working for the Inland Revenue - the most utterly f***** up organisation that makes the NHS seem like a bastion of effiency. The only organistion in the world that could be improved with Diane Abbot's maths. Edited by robdave2k (03 Jun 2017 4.00pm) Edited by robdave2k (03 Jun 2017 4.01pm)

robdave2k

03 Jun 17 4.00pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

I can never understand why people who moan about zero hours just don't start their own businesses.
It has its own problems of course, but no working for the 'Man'

Because on one side you have the Tories who want to f*** you into oblivion with tax.

And

On the other side you have Labour who want to f*** you into oblivion on the other.

If you want to call it candidate v candidate for the genuine self employed person running a small business there is very little to choose.

And as for not working for the man, no you end up working for the Inland Revenue - the most utterly f***** up organisation that makes the NHS seem like a bastion of effiency. The only organistion in the world that could be improved with Diane Abbot's maths.

Edited by robdave2k (03 Jun 2017 4.00pm)

Edited by robdave2k (03 Jun 2017 4.01pm)

serial thriller The Promised Land 03 Jun 17 4.00pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't believe either party 'is the party of the working class'. If you seriously believe 48 billion can be effectively raised from just five percent of the population....then I suppose your light bulb wattage is higher than your IQ. Scornful I know but that's about the truth of it. The top 10% have nearly half of this country's wealth. 48 billion is a tiny, tiny amount of that. Just think about that, and what the Tories'plans to tax those people LESS means in that context. Your taxes, everyone on here, will be funnelled in to that top bracket's increasing wealth through subsidies to these people. That is the Tories' magic money tree. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 03 Jun 17 4.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't believe either party 'is the party of the working class'.

If you seriously believe 48 billion can be effectively raised from just five percent of the population....then I suppose your light bulb wattage is higher than your IQ.

Scornful I know but that's about the truth of it.

The top 10% have nearly half of this country's wealth. 48 billion is a tiny, tiny amount of that.

Just think about that, and what the Tories'plans to tax those people LESS means in that context. Your taxes, everyone on here, will be funnelled in to that top bracket's increasing wealth through subsidies to these people.

That is the Tories' magic money tree.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 4.02pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 while you are at it can you do the bins as well? so you can pick up the last lot of tory tosh you dropped off. Credit where it's due - that made me laugh. Willo well and truly led with his chin there. And, for your information, I loathe this version of the Conservatives (almost) as much as I despise Corbyn. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 03 Jun 17 4.02pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

while you are at it can you do the bins as well?

so you can pick up the last lot of tory tosh you dropped off.

Credit where it's due - that made me laugh. Willo well and truly led with his chin there.

And, for your information, I loathe this version of the Conservatives (almost) as much as I despise Corbyn.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

hedgehog50 Croydon 03 Jun 17 4.05pm
They should heavily tax the Russian and Arab billionaires living in London - they might f-off then. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 03 Jun 17 4.05pm

They should heavily tax the Russian and Arab billionaires living in London - they might f-off then.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Mapletree Croydon 03 Jun 17 4.17pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt But GPs are doing it already. That's my point. And yes, I accept that GPS are self-employed bu aren't most consultants/surgeons working in the NHS self-employed too? I don't quite see what point you're trying to make. As far as I can see, this job advert is for a role that is already being fulfilled, on the ground, at GP level so I can't see the value in someone else further up in the Trust hierarchy duplicating it. Although unsourced (but I trust you), do those statistics you quoted tell the whole story? Is the figure for the US or Germany spent by government or by the (private) healthcare industry? In other words, is it public expenditure? I take your point that WRES reports (had to look up what they actually were and grimaced) are mandatory, but why? Is it to monitor 'equality' (whatever that means) for staff or for patients? 'Equality' in or for what? Is it more important than actually hiring staff to heal the sick, which is what I understood to be one of the NHS's primary raisons d'être? And what 'fairness' towards BMEs (which I presume is a euphemism for ethnic minorities) needs someone on a large salary to monitor? Again, this is money which is diverted from the main task of the provision of healthcare. I'm guessing that you actually work in or close to the NHS so I'm always happy to hear your take on the situation but I find it irritating to hear the hackneyed whining about how the NHS is chronically underfunded when firstly you see lumpy salaries on offer for what many would see as non-jobs and secondly when the NHS is perceived as bureaucratically top-heavy. For instance, what is the ratio of clinical to admin staff? Your unnecessary and aggressive use of statistics is allowed, as long as context is explained when given. Thanks! Thank you Cucking Obviously the spend in the US is private sector as there isn't really a public sector. In Germany it is mixed, as it is in the UK. GPs will acknowledge they find it almost impossible to access large swathes of the population. Men are the worst and also big groups of immigrants can be reluctant to engage. Anything that gets them a bit closer to the system is helpful. This is a pin prick of expenditure compared to the potential savings through early interventions. Regarding WRES - I don't make the rules. However, as stated, large private sector corporations have far more assertive equality and inclusion functions than the NHS. WRES is in respect of employees. There are also inclusion departments that (try to) interact with minority groups of 'service users'. This is important as they are often internationally mobile and so can have different problems than the norm. Sickle cell anaemia could be an example. My point is that I am guessing you got these adverts for rather rarified jobs from the interweb. Proper NHS jobs are not to be found there, they are exclusively in NHS Jobs.

Mapletree

Croydon 03 Jun 17 4.17pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Your unnecessary and aggressive use of statistics is allowed, as long as context is explained when given.

Thanks!

Thank you Cucking

Obviously the spend in the US is private sector as there isn't really a public sector.

In Germany it is mixed, as it is in the UK.

GPs will acknowledge they find it almost impossible to access large swathes of the population. Men are the worst and also big groups of immigrants can be reluctant to engage. Anything that gets them a bit closer to the system is helpful. This is a pin prick of expenditure compared to the potential savings through early interventions.

Regarding WRES - I don't make the rules. However, as stated, large private sector corporations have far more assertive equality and inclusion functions than the NHS. WRES is in respect of employees. There are also inclusion departments that (try to) interact with minority groups of 'service users'. This is important as they are often internationally mobile and so can have different problems than the norm. Sickle cell anaemia could be an example.

My point is that I am guessing you got these adverts for rather rarified jobs from the interweb. Proper NHS jobs are not to be found there, they are exclusively in NHS Jobs.

Stirlingsays 03 Jun 17 4.37pm
Originally posted by serial thriller The top 10% have nearly half of this country's wealth. 48 billion is a tiny, tiny amount of that. Just think about that, and what the Tories'plans to tax those people LESS means in that context. Your taxes, everyone on here, will be funnelled in to that top bracket's increasing wealth through subsidies to these people. That is the Tories' magic money tree. Yes, I know the rich pickings look tasty but you can't force the wealthy to give more over unless they think there is something in it for them. If you have money there is always an alternative. The fairness or unfairness of it is a valid argument to have but it's also a separate argument. It's how the world works basically. No point of being envious of what you see through the shop window....You are basically believing those who are telling you that you can take the goods without the shop closing down. The wealthy need to be interested in staying within a country and investing in it....Without investment any serious economy is buggered. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

03 Jun 17 4.37pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

The top 10% have nearly half of this country's wealth. 48 billion is a tiny, tiny amount of that.

That is the Tories' magic money tree.

Yes, I know the rich pickings look tasty but you can't force the wealthy to give more over unless they think there is something in it for them. If you have money there is always an alternative.

The fairness or unfairness of it is a valid argument to have but it's also a separate argument.

It's how the world works basically.

No point of being envious of what you see through the shop window....You are basically believing those who are telling you that you can take the goods without the shop closing down.

The wealthy need to be interested in staying within a country and investing in it....Without investment any serious economy is buggered.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 03 Jun 17 4.39pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 They should heavily tax the Russian and Arab billionaires living in London - they might f-off then. Chance would be a fine thing. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

03 Jun 17 4.39pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

They should heavily tax the Russian and Arab billionaires living in London - they might f-off then.

Chance would be a fine thing.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 03 Jun 17 4.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yes, I know the rich pickings look tasty but you can't force the wealthy to give more over unless they think there is something in it for them. If you have money there is always an alternative. The fairness or unfairness of it is a valid argument to have but it's also a separate argument. It's how the world works basically. No point of being envious of what you see through the shop window....You are basically believing those who are telling you that you can take the goods without the shop closing down. The wealthy need to be interested in staying within a country and investing in it....Without investment any serious economy is buggered. confiscate it all communism is the only way forward...

steeleye20

Croydon 03 Jun 17 4.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yes, I know the rich pickings look tasty but you can't force the wealthy to give more over unless they think there is something in it for them. If you have money there is always an alternative.

The fairness or unfairness of it is a valid argument to have but it's also a separate argument.

It's how the world works basically.

No point of being envious of what you see through the shop window....You are basically believing those who are telling you that you can take the goods without the shop closing down.

The wealthy need to be interested in staying within a country and investing in it....Without investment any serious economy is buggered.

confiscate it all communism is the only way forward...

Stirlingsays 03 Jun 17 4.50pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 confiscate it all communism is the only way forward... I'm with yea brother...lets storm the barricades! 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

03 Jun 17 4.50pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

confiscate it all communism is the only way forward...

I'm with yea brother...lets storm the barricades!

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 03 Jun 17 4.57pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm with yea brother...lets storm the barricades! Who shall we distribute it all to Stirling ? Us perhaps ?

steeleye20

Croydon 03 Jun 17 4.57pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm with yea brother...lets storm the barricades!

Who shall we distribute it all to Stirling ?

Us perhaps ?

Stirlingsays 03 Jun 17 4.59pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Who shall we distribute it all to Stirling ? Us perhaps ? Just us and the remaining touring members of Spandau Ballet. The rest can go fcuk themselves. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

03 Jun 17 4.59pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Who shall we distribute it all to Stirling ?

Us perhaps ?

Just us and the remaining touring members of Spandau Ballet.

The rest can go fcuk themselves.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 03 Jun 17 5.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Just us and the remaining touring members of Spandau Ballet. The rest can go fcuk themselves. You are picking up communism quite well!!

steeleye20

Croydon 03 Jun 17 5.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Just us and the remaining touring members of Spandau Ballet.

The rest can go fcuk themselves.

You are picking up communism quite well!!

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Jun 17 7.14pm
[Tweet Link] More lies and a u turn. This time on military personnel.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 03 Jun 17 7.14pm

[Tweet Link]

More lies and a u turn. This time on military personnel.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Jun 17 7.26pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Tweet Link] More lies and a u turn. This time on military personnel. What a load of twaddle Nick where do they dig this sh1t up from?? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Jun 17 7.26pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

[Tweet Link]

More lies and a u turn. This time on military personnel.

What a load of twaddle Nick where do they dig this sh1t up from??

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jun 17 7.30pm
Originally posted by susmik What a load of twaddle Nick where do they dig this sh1t up from?? They are just getting desperate as Corbyn flounders on the TV and 'D' day approaches ! Evidently 5% of the population are going to pay for massive spending spree and business is going to boom on the back of a significant increase in 'Corporation Tax' ! 'Money trees' and a 'Letter to Santa' spring to mind. Out now with some Tory chums ! Edited by Willo (03 Jun 2017 7.35pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jun 17 7.30pm

Originally posted by susmik

What a load of twaddle Nick where do they dig this sh1t up from??

They are just getting desperate as Corbyn flounders on the TV and 'D' day approaches !

Evidently 5% of the population are going to pay for massive spending spree and business is going to boom on the back of a significant increase in 'Corporation Tax' ! 'Money trees' and a 'Letter to Santa' spring to mind.

Out now with some Tory chums !

Edited by Willo (03 Jun 2017 7.35pm)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Jun 17 8.05pm
Originally posted by susmik What a load of twaddle Nick where do they dig this sh1t up from?? The Times?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 03 Jun 17 8.05pm

Originally posted by susmik

What a load of twaddle Nick where do they dig this sh1t up from??

The Times?

.TUX. 03 Jun 17 8.10pm
Originally posted by Willo They are just getting desperate as Corbyn flounders on the TV and 'D' day approaches ! Evidently 5% of the population are going to pay for massive spending spree and business is going to boom on the back of a significant increase in 'Corporation Tax' ! 'Money trees' and a 'Letter to Santa' spring to mind. Out now with some Tory chums ! Edited by Willo (03 Jun 2017 7.35pm) The Tories have an orchard full. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

03 Jun 17 8.10pm

Originally posted by Willo

They are just getting desperate as Corbyn flounders on the TV and 'D' day approaches !

Evidently 5% of the population are going to pay for massive spending spree and business is going to boom on the back of a significant increase in 'Corporation Tax' ! 'Money trees' and a 'Letter to Santa' spring to mind.

Out now with some Tory chums !

Edited by Willo (03 Jun 2017 7.35pm)

The Tories have an orchard full.

Buy Litecoin.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Jun 17 8.14pm
Originally posted by nickgusset The Times? Still a load of twaddle from them as always then ?? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Jun 17 8.14pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The Times?

Still a load of twaddle from them as always then ??

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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