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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 23 9.02am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I don't tend to read everything at face value. Especially from the BBC, who it seems were touting for complainants. Who hadn't actually complained to anyone before the BBC got in touch. Nor, from what I recall, did anyone complain they, or their children, were abused by Savile all those years ago. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen though and if you heard the former employee telling her story on Radio 4 this morning you would have little doubt it is true. McDonalds have accepted that there is a very widespread problem involving young part time staff and older full time supervisory staff. Their whole set up is an open invitation to abuse and abusers. So instead of trying to turn a truly valuable piece of investigative journalism into yet another opportunity to have a pop at the BBC maybe some credit is due for them having learned and now finding and exposing abuse elsewhere. Or do you only care if it happens at the BBC?
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 georgenorman 18 Jul 23 9.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Changing the basis of the funding in that way makes perfect sense provided the way it is set up cannot be tampered with politically by future governments, without passing primary legislation. So long as the BBC’s independence is set in stone I don’t care how they are funded or if their peripheral activities curtailed. The BBC should compete with other service providers on a level playing field and seek investment and generate income as others do. There is no justification whatsoever for the current setup.
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Teddy Eagle  18 Jul 23 9.10am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nor, from what I recall, did anyone complain they, or their children, were abused by Savile all those years ago. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen though and if you heard the former employee telling her story on Radio 4 this morning you would have little doubt it is true. McDonalds have accepted that there is a very widespread problem involving young part time staff and older full time supervisory staff. Their whole set up is an open invitation to abuse and abusers. So instead of trying to turn a truly valuable piece of investigative journalism into yet another opportunity to have a pop at the BBC maybe some credit is due for them having learned and now finding and exposing abuse elsewhere. Or do you only care if it happens at the BBC? They had no idea.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Jul 23 9.16am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This from the BBC today makes interesting reading in the light of the recent comments here:- A Mcsexualassaultcase with a large order of racism please. I am going to say this bluntly, but I was under the impression that McDonalds are not famed for hiring the brightest and best at their branches? I certainly don't condone it, quite the opposite in fact, but is 'uncovering' stories of inappropriate behaviour and language at an employer which is pretty ubiquitously known as a last chance saloon for the nigh unemployable really news? Doesn't seem to be anything beyond the expected here, generally thick people saying and doing generally thick things. Doesn't make it OK of course not, ideally we'd work in a world without these happenings but we don't, we live in a world where some people have to work at McDonalds. If ever there was an incentive to make a bit more of yourself so you don't 'end up working at McDonalds' this earth shattering news would only slightly improve the narrative around this sentiment. There's a war in Europe, record breaking temperatures and a sex scandal involving a high profile public figure currently in action, amongst other things, but the state of staffing at McDonalds steals the show. Edited by Nicholas91 (18 Jul 2023 9.18am)
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 18 Jul 23 9.17am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Thank you for accepting that I replied and the confirmation that, as I suspected, you are too wrapped up in yourself to comprehend it. It’s raining. I am busy playing bowls and don’t tend to go on any beaches here in the summer. Too full of tourists. What are you prattling on about now? Wrapped up in my self? Look in a mirror old man if you want to see someone really up himself.. Wisbech ( Mr I'm never wrong and I am superior to you all) eagle.....enjoy the Cornish rain!!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 23 9.19am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This is the crux of the matter though. Will anyone mount a defence for them because people like their hamburgers? McDonalds have accepted fault. Being almost exclusively franchises the management is often on site and could hardly not be aware of what has been going on. How to control it, due the set up, looks to me to present a big challenge.
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| Teddy Eagle 18 Jul 23 9.29am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
McDonalds have accepted fault. Being almost exclusively franchises the management is often on site and could hardly not be aware of what has been going on. How to control it, due the set up, looks to me to present a big challenge. Accepting fault is something it took the BBC decades to do.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 23 9.31am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
What are you prattling on about now? Wrapped up in my self? Look in a mirror old man if you want to see someone really up himself.. Wisbech ( Mr I'm never wrong and I am superior to you all) eagle.....enjoy the Cornish rain!! It’s an interesting perception that you have of me, but it’s only a perception. That I express opinions with force and certainty doesn’t mean I am never wrong. Just ask my wife! Superior? My team plays this evening against another which has two world champions and another international in it. No sense of superiority involved from me. Lots of luck will be required to even save face! Miracles are needed to win.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 18 Jul 23 9.38am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s an interesting perception that you have of me, but it’s only a perception. That I express opinions with force and certainty doesn’t mean I am never wrong. Just ask my wife! Superior? My team plays this evening against another which has two world champions and another international in it. No sense of superiority involved from me. Lots of luck will be required to even save face! Miracles are needed to win. Except we aren't talking about bowls on here are we?? Just your superior attitude to everyone on here....couldn't care less about bowls actually but you do make out your opinion ( and that's all it is) is the only one that matters...ok so you've travelled widely, so have I. So what?? Enjoy getting battered on the bowling green tonight in the rain, please tell us the score tomorrow!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 23 9.41am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Accepting fault is something it took the BBC decades to do. The BBC have never accepted the fault that you, and others, accuse them of, because it doesn’t exist. No tolerance is either given or needed. They accepted their protocols weren’t robust enough and have improved them. How McDonalds can handle this is not going to be simple. They were a customer of mine for many years and so I have a small insight into their culture. This is something that I suspect we have only yet seen the tip of. It could involve a major restructuring. Other fast food chains will probably have the same problems.
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| Teddy Eagle 18 Jul 23 9.47am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The BBC have never accepted the fault that you, and others, accuse them of, because it doesn’t exist. No tolerance is either given or needed. They accepted their protocols weren’t robust enough and have improved them. How McDonalds can handle this is not going to be simple. They were a customer of mine for many years and so I have a small insight into their culture. This is something that I suspect we have only yet seen the tip of. It could involve a major restructuring. Other fast food chains will probably have the same problems. They have accepted that abuse was carried out by their employees on their premises.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 23 9.47am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Except we aren't talking about bowls on here are we?? Just your superior attitude to everyone on here....couldn't care less about bowls actually but you do make out your opinion ( and that's all it is) is the only one that matters...ok so you've travelled widely, so have I. So what?? Enjoy getting battered on the bowling green tonight in the rain, please tell us the score tomorrow! As you don’t care about bowls I won’t. I only used it to demonstrate the paucity of your argument. I am not responsible for your perceptions of me. I will express my opinions in my own way. You make of them whatever you like. Ignore them if they upset you!
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| Teddy Eagle 18 Jul 23 9.49am |
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Originally posted by nead1
Ignore the personal nonsense WE; the truth of the matter is that large numbers of people who post, especially vis a vis "political" matters hate being called out for the racist and bigotry they often express. You, very successfully, call it out on a regular basis - if you were not posting, the site would simply be an echo chamber of unchallenged, often far right, views. Keep going if you still have the energy! Yes, bigotry against sexual predators. Shocking.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 23 9.52am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
They have accepted that abuse was carried out by their employees on their premises. That’s what tends to happen with employees who spend a large part of their lives working and those with predatory instincts finding opportunities. Every employer would accept it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 23 9.53am |
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Originally posted by nead1
Ignore the personal nonsense WE; the truth of the matter is that large numbers of people who post, especially vis a vis "political" matters hate being called out for the racist and bigotry they often express. You, very successfully, call it out on a regular basis - if you were not posting, the site would simply be an echo chamber of unchallenged, often far right, views. Keep going if you still have the energy! Thanks for the support and kind words. Much appreciated.
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| Teddy Eagle 18 Jul 23 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s what tends to happen with employees who spend a large part of their lives working and those with predatory instincts finding opportunities. Every employer would accept it. But not every employer gets pages of defence.
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Jul 23 10.07am |
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Originally posted by mezzer
Chief Exec of McDonalds UK is called Alastair Macrow. Was he simply Alastair Row before he took the post? Also, 177,000 employees in the UK alone! That's about half the civil service (if an answer on House of Games can be believed). A staggering number so 100 found by the BBC is probably about par for the course in an organisation that huge. Still 100 too many, mind.
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