So management weren't informed of these enquiries at any stage except to be told the system was weak. No mention of hundreds of girls being abused and raped by one or more of their employees. Yes, that makes sense.

Really? Rape and child abuse were accepted in the 1970s? I don't think so.
These enquiries were held and then literally nothing happened for 40 years when it was admitted the system was weak?

Indeed. And no one would have used the Catch-22 of the systems were weak but no one knew because the systems were weak.
How many lives were ruined because of those "weak systems"?

Crimes have taken place via negligence and because they have been committed within the system they aren't persecuted.

Personally I think the blame can be found at the top of the tree....Ministers, civil service and related departments.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

They weren’t accepted but in this case they weren’t known about and/or regarded as child abuse. So far as I know none of the victims, or their parents, complained. Indeed many pushy parents were proud that their kid “knew” a big personality. Although it is thought some of them were very young, most were in the 13 to 16 age group.

Don’t misunderstand me, I am not defending this in any way, but the sexual liberation of the 60s had a lingering impact and youngsters back then were “experimenting” earlier than in the past so could have regarded an advance from someone famous as flattering and not as abuse.

This was, and is, an issue for the whole of society and not just the BBC. All we are witnessing here is those who, for their own reasons dislike the BBC, using well publicised events to engage in some bashing, when many other similar events elsewhere have doubtless occurred under the radar.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

All possibly true, up to your last paragraph. There’s no definitely about it. We don’t know the motivations and may never know. Perhaps they met in hospital and Edwards befriended and decided to help him. Why he was using dating sites, when apparently in a stable marriage and with a wife who obviously cares, is also questionable but there are possible, if unlikely, innocent explanations for that too.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I don't think it's prudent for BBC employees to be meeting young people regularly in hospitals anymore. I presume that was intentional humour. I thought perhaps you were going to say Stoke Mandeville.
As for dating sites - it was Grindr, which is loosely a dating site but more just for gay sex really. It's probably best defined as a gay shagging app.

Red and Blue Army!

seriously mate, are you on some strong medications ?

THAT was the apologising, Politically Correct, dismissive, 'in denial' and tolerant culture that allowed Jimmy Savile and the pakistani rape gangs ply their trade for decades....... with tons of new victims every year.

had i discovered a middle aged man contacting a young vulnerable kid within my remit.....i could not write online what my reaction would be. But it would certainly be beyond the remit of Howard Webb to referee.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Jul 2023 12.46pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

I am no more blaming the victims than the BBC! I am trying to explain what really happened in the circumstances of the prevailing culture of the time.

Yes, what they did was illegal but so too was what a high percentage of teenagers did in the 60s and 70s and no doubt still do today. Most of them without any sense of wrongdoing. Only a sense of fear, either of getting pregnant or of getting caught.

Again, don't misunderstand. I am not equating teenage behaviour with what Savile did. Only that many of his victims may well not have seen themselves as victims.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

i am all for 'live and let live', tolerant and all that. But it doesnt extend so far as an ancient sleazy fella. Chasing after an impecunious boy with a fistful of Sterling in one hand and his erect langer in the other. Seeking the type of images that would get you an interview under Caution from the Old Bill.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Jul 2023 1.09pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford