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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Feb 17 4.34pm


Labour's problems are not just Corbyn. The attached article is a bit over the top, but is substantially true.
[Link]

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

leifandersonshair Flag Newport 26 Feb 17 4.37pm

Originally posted by susmik


Let him stay leader of the Labour party for years to come and give the country chance to get Brexit over with and get stability back after the mess boy Blair made with his cronies for which we are paying for now.
With Jeremy at their helm they have not the slightest chance of ever getting into power I say keep him as their leader.

Yep, unchallenged Tory hard Brexit will definitely be in the national interest

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 26 Feb 17 9.02pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50


Labour's problems are not just Corbyn. The attached article is a bit over the top, but is substantially true.
[Link]

Funnily enough listening to the radio earlier today, a Corbyn fan was banging on about the working class and it dawned on me that they have no real idea who the not so new "working class, are or what their aspirations are.

Tories under Maggie, for all their faults, made you believe you could do or be anything you wanted. Not something the hard left seem to get.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Feb 17 10.36pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Funnily enough listening to the radio earlier today, a Corbyn fan was banging on about the working class and it dawned on me that they have no real idea who the not so new "working class, are or what their aspirations are.

Tories under Maggie, for all their faults, made you believe you could do or be anything you wanted. Not something the hard left seem to get.

I think the working class are much better off than they used to be in previous generations, ironically, largely due to the efforts of trade unions and the labour movement. However, they are now more concerned with paying their mortgage, keeping a job and maintaining their relatively good standard of living for their families. They are not too worried about looking after refugees, or having mass immigration that adversely affects their wages, job security and changes their home towns, or Palestine, or LGBT rights, or most of the other priorities of the Labour Party. They see the Conservatives under Theresa May as a better option to protect their interests.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hoof Hearted 27 Feb 17 10.55am

I think this Momentum lot have adopted Corbyn like the middle classes have returned to Vinyl Albums for their music believing that it is better.

Some aspects of vinyl reproduction are better than digital but overall most people haven't got the space, time, effort or the technology to play music other than digital especially those on the move with their catalogue of music stored on an iphone or relying on youtube.

Corbyn is a fad.... a 70's throwback plaything that will gradually end up at the bottom of the toy chest.

In Scotland he is making no impression on anybody other than to harden SNP support.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Feb 17 11.03am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I think this Momentum lot have adopted Corbyn like the middle classes have returned to Vinyl Albums for their music believing that it is better.

Some aspects of vinyl reproduction are better than digital but overall most people haven't got the space, time, effort or the technology to play music other than digital especially those on the move with their catalogue of music stored on an iphone or relying on youtube.

Corbyn is a fad.... a 70's throwback plaything that will gradually end up at the bottom of the toy chest.

In Scotland he is making no impression on anybody other than to harden SNP support.

Worst.analogy.ever.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Feb 17 12.01pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Worst.analogy.ever.

Only in so much as that vinyl is a has been, where as Corbyn is a never was.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 27 Feb 17 12.11pm

The sum total of the far left's take over of the Labour party...both membership and leadership will be to allow the Tories to push through their agenda without fear of failure.

The Tories are almost guaranteed the next election.

Essentially the far left....only worsen the plight for working people.

 


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Hoof Hearted 27 Feb 17 12.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Only in so much as that vinyl is a has been, where as Corbyn is a never was.

Don't upset him even more Hrolf, he's got through a box of Kleenex since Friday morning crying over Copeland and masturbating over Stoke!

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Feb 17 12.35pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Don't upset him even more Hrolf, he's got through a box of Kleenex since Friday morning crying over Copeland and masturbating over Stoke!

And you are how old?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Feb 17 12.54pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

And you are how old?

Well you are in your late 40's and still indulging in student politics.
You need to face reality. Corbyn will lead your precious party into oblivion and he won't care. He has got what he wants.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Feb 17 1.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well you are in your late 40's and still indulging in student politics.
You need to face reality. Corbyn will lead your precious party into oblivion and he won't care. He has got what he wants.

The old student politics response. Up there with virtue signalling for a) not needing or unable to formulate an argument b) trying to demean someone with an opposing view (ad hominem) but really showing everyone a)


How many anti Corbyn posts on this thread have actually unpicked current policies under Labour?

Edited by nickgusset (27 Feb 2017 1.15pm)

 

Hoof Hearted 27 Feb 17 1.21pm

You have to laugh at the irony of someone countering what they believe to be an old chestnut with an old chestnut.

-.-'

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Feb 17 1.24pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You have to laugh at the irony of someone countering what they believe to be an old chestnut with an old chestnut.

-.-'

You have to laugh at the irony of someone cheering on the fact they've outed a troll on one thread then refuses to engage with but talk about a person on another.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Feb 17 1.24pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The old student politics response. Up there with virtue signalling for a) not needing or unable to formulate an argument b) trying to demean someone with an opposing view (ad hominem) but really showing everyone a)


How many anti Corbyn posts on this thread have actually unpicked current policies under Labour?

Edited by nickgusset (27 Feb 2017 1.15pm)

The truth is sometimes just the truth.

Clearly you still believe that by some miracle, Corbyn can somehow turn things around and win an election.
That kind of optimism probably requires therapy.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 27 Feb 17 1.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The old student politics response. Up there with virtue signalling for a) not needing or unable to formulate an argument b) trying to demean someone with an opposing view (ad hominem) but really showing everyone a)


How many anti Corbyn posts on this thread have actually unpicked current policies under Labour?

Edited by nickgusset (27 Feb 2017 1.15pm)

Saying he wouldn't press the nuclear button was enough for me.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 27 Feb 17 2.21pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


How many anti Corbyn posts on this thread have actually unpicked current policies under Labour?

Edited by nickgusset (27 Feb 2017 1.15pm)

Problem is Nick that it doesn't really matter how people are making their decisions. The electoral results show that they are making their decisions - and they are almost universally unfavourable or at best apathetic towards Jeremy Corbyn.

Many of Corbyn's policies would be popular. But for whatever the reasons - and whether you believe they are right or wrong - the majority of people have pretty clearly decided that JC will not make a good PM. And that is damaging the Labour party.

Stoke was a relatively good result given the headwinds. But Copeland was an utter disaster. There have been some reasonable by-election performances under his leadership, but there have been some (very) poor ones and the Scottish elections were also catastrophic.

While is coterie then blame everything but his leadership on the results, they move further and further away from both the truth and the public. And yes there is a lot of knifing-in-the-back going on, but the most disloyal MP in Labour history can't really expect MPs to be loyal to him.

There has always been a difficulty for the Left. A centre-left party that might win or a left party that is likely to lose. Is a little bit of "left" better than none, but remaining "pure".

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Feb 17 2.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Saying he wouldn't press the nuclear button was enough for me.

Funnily enough Theresa May effectively saying she would be willing to incinerate millions put me off of her even more.

 

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 27 Feb 17 2.31pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Funnily enough Theresa May effectively saying she would be willing to incinerate millions put me off of her even more.

WOW that is a surprise !!

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 27 Feb 17 2.47pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Funnily enough Theresa May effectively saying she would be willing to incinerate millions put me off of her even more.

Willing is an interesting word to use. I am not sure whether she is willing, more a case of prepared to should the need arise.

 


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