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We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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Originally posted by susmik
Yep, unchallenged Tory hard Brexit will definitely be in the national interest
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Funnily enough listening to the radio earlier today, a Corbyn fan was banging on about the working class and it dawned on me that they have no real idea who the not so new "working class, are or what their aspirations are. Tories under Maggie, for all their faults, made you believe you could do or be anything you wanted. Not something the hard left seem to get.
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Funnily enough listening to the radio earlier today, a Corbyn fan was banging on about the working class and it dawned on me that they have no real idea who the not so new "working class, are or what their aspirations are. Tories under Maggie, for all their faults, made you believe you could do or be anything you wanted. Not something the hard left seem to get. I think the working class are much better off than they used to be in previous generations, ironically, largely due to the efforts of trade unions and the labour movement. However, they are now more concerned with paying their mortgage, keeping a job and maintaining their relatively good standard of living for their families. They are not too worried about looking after refugees, or having mass immigration that adversely affects their wages, job security and changes their home towns, or Palestine, or LGBT rights, or most of the other priorities of the Labour Party. They see the Conservatives under Theresa May as a better option to protect their interests.
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I think this Momentum lot have adopted Corbyn like the middle classes have returned to Vinyl Albums for their music believing that it is better. Some aspects of vinyl reproduction are better than digital but overall most people haven't got the space, time, effort or the technology to play music other than digital especially those on the move with their catalogue of music stored on an iphone or relying on youtube. Corbyn is a fad.... a 70's throwback plaything that will gradually end up at the bottom of the toy chest. In Scotland he is making no impression on anybody other than to harden SNP support. Worst.analogy.ever.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Worst.analogy.ever. Only in so much as that vinyl is a has been, where as Corbyn is a never was.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Only in so much as that vinyl is a has been, where as Corbyn is a never was. Don't upset him even more Hrolf, he's got through a box of Kleenex since Friday morning crying over Copeland and masturbating over Stoke!
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Don't upset him even more Hrolf, he's got through a box of Kleenex since Friday morning crying over Copeland and masturbating over Stoke! And you are how old?
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Originally posted by nickgusset
And you are how old? Well you are in your late 40's and still indulging in student politics.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well you are in your late 40's and still indulging in student politics. The old student politics response. Up there with virtue signalling for a) not needing or unable to formulate an argument b) trying to demean someone with an opposing view (ad hominem) but really showing everyone a)
Edited by nickgusset (27 Feb 2017 1.15pm)
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You have to laugh at the irony of someone countering what they believe to be an old chestnut with an old chestnut. -.-'
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
You have to laugh at the irony of someone countering what they believe to be an old chestnut with an old chestnut. -.-' You have to laugh at the irony of someone cheering on the fact they've outed a troll on one thread then refuses to engage with but talk about a person on another.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The old student politics response. Up there with virtue signalling for a) not needing or unable to formulate an argument b) trying to demean someone with an opposing view (ad hominem) but really showing everyone a)
Edited by nickgusset (27 Feb 2017 1.15pm) The truth is sometimes just the truth. Clearly you still believe that by some miracle, Corbyn can somehow turn things around and win an election.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The old student politics response. Up there with virtue signalling for a) not needing or unable to formulate an argument b) trying to demean someone with an opposing view (ad hominem) but really showing everyone a)
Edited by nickgusset (27 Feb 2017 1.15pm) Saying he wouldn't press the nuclear button was enough for me.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Edited by nickgusset (27 Feb 2017 1.15pm) Problem is Nick that it doesn't really matter how people are making their decisions. The electoral results show that they are making their decisions - and they are almost universally unfavourable or at best apathetic towards Jeremy Corbyn. Many of Corbyn's policies would be popular. But for whatever the reasons - and whether you believe they are right or wrong - the majority of people have pretty clearly decided that JC will not make a good PM. And that is damaging the Labour party. Stoke was a relatively good result given the headwinds. But Copeland was an utter disaster. There have been some reasonable by-election performances under his leadership, but there have been some (very) poor ones and the Scottish elections were also catastrophic. While is coterie then blame everything but his leadership on the results, they move further and further away from both the truth and the public. And yes there is a lot of knifing-in-the-back going on, but the most disloyal MP in Labour history can't really expect MPs to be loyal to him. There has always been a difficulty for the Left. A centre-left party that might win or a left party that is likely to lose. Is a little bit of "left" better than none, but remaining "pure".
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Saying he wouldn't press the nuclear button was enough for me. Funnily enough Theresa May effectively saying she would be willing to incinerate millions put me off of her even more.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Funnily enough Theresa May effectively saying she would be willing to incinerate millions put me off of her even more. WOW that is a surprise !!
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Funnily enough Theresa May effectively saying she would be willing to incinerate millions put me off of her even more. Willing is an interesting word to use. I am not sure whether she is willing, more a case of prepared to should the need arise.
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