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 JohnyBoy  03 May 16 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
You haven't yet Johnny, but keep trying... you never know. One of your reasoned arguments might just tip me over the edge. You're a good man Hoof, I will loudly applaud....and in return I will join your protest about unsociable behaviour down at your local park
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| Hoof Hearted 03 May 16 12.29pm | |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
You're a good man Hoof, I will loudly applaud....and in return I will join your protest about unsociable behaviour down at your local park
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| big_palace_fan 03 May 16 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You clearly have more faith in "studies" than I do or ever will do. As for my forecast. I'd have thought that you hardly need to be a genius to predict any of that. Just wait and see. Hoof I am attempting not to be one sided in what I read I just really feel the large bulk of real studies on the effects of leaving all point the same way. Also, could you please point out some of these "eminent economists", I would be intrigued to see what they say.
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| Hoof Hearted 03 May 16 12.37pm | |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Hoof I am attempting not to be one sided in what I read I just really feel the large bulk of real studies on the effects of leaving all point the same way. Also, could you please point out some of these "eminent economists", I would be intrigued to see what they say. I can't remember the name of the guy that had to resign from the organisation that I also can't remember who wanted to be neutral but he recommended Brexit for starters. Also Peter Hargreaves - Billionaire joint owner of IFA Hargreaves Lansdown. There are more, but I can't be arsed to look them all up. The point I was making is that you can make a convincing case either way about the economy depending on your viewpoint.
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| johnfirewall 03 May 16 12.54pm |
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The government's calculator to show how much a family will lose through the Brexit (by simply multiplying this imaginary figure by the number of family members) is laughable. This is based purely on things costing us more, but overlooks the boost in buying British. The poor will be hit if Lidl is no longer cheap and I would revert to Greggs pasties if a jar of olives ended up costing a fiver, but possibly because I don't gave a great grasp of trade tariffs, I struggle to envisage such a scenario. Again though that would reduce demand and the exporting states would suffer.
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| big_palace_fan 03 May 16 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I can't remember the name of the guy that had to resign from the organisation that I also can't remember who wanted to be neutral but he recommended Brexit for starters. Also Peter Hargreaves - Billionaire joint owner of IFA Hargreaves Lansdown. There are more, but I can't be arsed to look them all up. The point I was making is that you can make a convincing case either way about the economy depending on your viewpoint. Could you please endeavour to find some for me please, I do want to have a read. Sorry to be picky, but Peter Hargreaves is a businessman and not an economist. Quick economic point is that if we were to leave the Euro uncertainty on government bonds would almost certainly increase, raising the interest due on the government debt. Because the government debt is both large in absoloute (£1.5 trillion) and relative terms (89% of GDP), this could have massive consequences for the UK debt. Also to the other guy, your could probably do with reading some trade ecpnomics. On average everyone benefits from free trade not "buying British" that benefits just a few comparably inefficient sectors.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 May 16 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Could you please endeavour to find some for me please, I do want to have a read. Sorry to be picky, but Peter Hargreaves is a businessman and not an economist. Quick economic point is that if we were to leave the Euro uncertainty on government bonds would almost certainly increase, raising the interest due on the government debt. Because the government debt is both large in absoloute (£1.5 trillion) and relative terms (89% of GDP), this could have massive consequences for the UK debt. Also to the other guy, your could probably do with reading some trade ecpnomics. On average everyone benefits from free trade not "buying British" that benefits just a few comparably inefficient sectors. Here in lies one of the big problems, not with necessarily the EU, but with our entire economic model, in that economically we're so dependent on the 'affect on the market' that we'd shrug off serious questions about resolving issues about society through fear of 'uncertainty'. Just one of the ways by which capital is used to establish the status quo (Framing moral and ethical questions into ones in which economic impact and risk become more important).
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| big_palace_fan 03 May 16 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Here in lies one of the big problems, not with necessarily the EU, but with our entire economic model, in that economically we're so dependent on the 'affect on the market' that we'd shrug off serious questions about resolving issues about society through fear of 'uncertainty'. Just one of the ways by which capital is used to establish the status quo (Framing moral and ethical questions into ones in which economic impact and risk become more important). We worry about the "affect on the market" because everyone's life depends on it and over the past lets say 70 years since WW2 has been made greatly better (health, education, income). Affect on the market isn't just a phrase, its peoples jobs, its their incomes and overal their quality of life. For businesses, uncertainty reduces the incentive to invest. Lower investment both in people and in machines and stuff, fails to increase productivity much and so wages don't increase as much. The moral and ethical question here is clear as well: peace, openness, prosperity and influence vs inward looking, backward viewpoints.
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| JohnyBoy 03 May 16 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
We worry about the "affect on the market" because everyone's life depends on it and over the past lets say 70 years since WW2 has been made greatly better (health, education, income). Affect on the market isn't just a phrase, its peoples jobs, its their incomes and overal their quality of life. For businesses, uncertainty reduces the incentive to invest. Lower investment both in people and in machines and stuff, fails to increase productivity much and so wages don't increase as much. The moral and ethical question here is clear as well: peace, openness, prosperity and influence vs inward looking, backward viewpoints. You are a wise man BigPalaceFan, although i sometimes question the team you support!!
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| big_palace_fan 03 May 16 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
You are a wise man BigPalaceFan, although i sometimes question the team you support!! Hahaha, thank you for the compliment. Palace through and through though. God, can't quite believe I've been questioned about this! Maybe AOBs and Old Alleynians can get on for once....
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| JohnyBoy 03 May 16 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Hahaha, thank you for the compliment. Palace through and through though. God, can't quite believe I've been questioned about this! Maybe AOBs and Old Alleynians can get on for once....
James Alleyn would be proud!!
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| big_palace_fan 03 May 16 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
James Alleyn would be proud!! Erm... Edward Alleyn Awkward. O humble and hearty thanks most merciful father....
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