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Mapletree Croydon 03 Jul 21 9.36am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle In the 11 years of CPFC2010 there has only been one master plan with a coherent strategy that has worked and that is the way that Parish acquired the club as per the final chapter in Simon Jordan's book The second master plan that is partway to fruition is the upgrading of the academy to the top status in order to attract and develop the best talent from the local area. Time will tell if this has worked. Most of the other successes seem to be the result of luck in what I have called serendipity management. I was roundly derided years ago when I wondered out loud if we would have been promoted if it wasn't for the happy accident of having a young lad called Wilfried Zaha in our youth ranks. On occasions when we have had to dispense with managers due to the risk of relegation Parish has been fortunate to have anti relegation specialists like Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson available to hire. Some of the transfer windows have been dreadful leaving us with huge gaps in our squad but by the biggest stroke of luck we have managed to survive. As you can see I am a sceptic when words and phrases like "master plans" and "strategy" are bandied about. If our next manager is to be Vieira and he is successful will it be down to a cleverly thought out strategy or just more of Parish's luck? Must have bought a hell of a lot of lucky heather then. Couldn’t possibly be any other factors at work.

Mapletree

Croydon 03 Jul 21 9.36am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

In the 11 years of CPFC2010 there has only been one master plan with a coherent strategy that has worked and that is the way that Parish acquired the club as per the final chapter in Simon Jordan's book

The second master plan that is partway to fruition is the upgrading of the academy to the top status in order to attract and develop the best talent from the local area. Time will tell if this has worked.

Most of the other successes seem to be the result of luck in what I have called serendipity management.

I was roundly derided years ago when I wondered out loud if we would have been promoted if it wasn't for the happy accident of having a young lad called Wilfried Zaha in our youth ranks.

On occasions when we have had to dispense with managers due to the risk of relegation Parish has been fortunate to have anti relegation specialists like Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson available to hire.

Some of the transfer windows have been dreadful leaving us with huge gaps in our squad but by the biggest stroke of luck we have managed to survive.

As you can see I am a sceptic when words and phrases like "master plans" and "strategy" are bandied about.

If our next manager is to be Vieira and he is successful will it be down to a cleverly thought out strategy or just more of Parish's luck?

Must have bought a hell of a lot of lucky heather then.

Couldn’t possibly be any other factors at work.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Jul 21 9.41am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle In the 11 years of CPFC2010 there has only been one master plan with a coherent strategy that has worked and that is the way that Parish acquired the club as per the final chapter in Simon Jordan's book The second master plan that is partway to fruition is the upgrading of the academy to the top status in order to attract and develop the best talent from the local area. Time will tell if this has worked. Most of the other successes seem to be the result of luck in what I have called serendipity management. I was roundly derided years ago when I wondered out loud if we would have been promoted if it wasn't for the happy accident of having a young lad called Wilfried Zaha in our youth ranks. On occasions when we have had to dispense with managers due to the risk of relegation Parish has been fortunate to have anti relegation specialists like Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson available to hire. Some of the transfer windows have been dreadful leaving us with huge gaps in our squad but by the biggest stroke of luck we have managed to survive. As you can see I am a sceptic when words and phrases like "master plans" and "strategy" are bandied about. If our next manager is to be Vieira and he is successful will it be down to a cleverly thought out strategy or just more of Parish's luck? I think you’re right. Add in overspending on wages far beyond our revenue in the league. It’s hardly strategic. No left back or striker etc is one thing, but Parish might be taking it too far with no manager. But, as ever, every week we have no manager and a dozen players light Parish is saving fortunes only for all of them to make the best of it when they’re finally in, after leaving them underprepared. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 03 Jul 21 9.41am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Most of the other successes seem to be the result of luck in what I have called serendipity management.

I was roundly derided years ago when I wondered out loud if we would have been promoted if it wasn't for the happy accident of having a young lad called Wilfried Zaha in our youth ranks.

Some of the transfer windows have been dreadful leaving us with huge gaps in our squad but by the biggest stroke of luck we have managed to survive.

As you can see I am a sceptic when words and phrases like "master plans" and "strategy" are bandied about.

If our next manager is to be Vieira and he is successful will it be down to a cleverly thought out strategy or just more of Parish's luck?

I think you’re right. Add in overspending on wages far beyond our revenue in the league. It’s hardly strategic. No left back or striker etc is one thing, but Parish might be taking it too far with no manager. But, as ever, every week we have no manager and a dozen players light Parish is saving fortunes only for all of them to make the best of it when they’re finally in, after leaving them underprepared.

COYP

Phil’s Barber Crowborough 03 Jul 21 10.02am
Originally posted by doombear I just happen to think on this occasion he may be right. After all, a stopped clock is right twice a day. I know doombear and I’m inclined to agree with you on this one, as there is a lot of talk on the internet and social media about the PV announcement. As Monster Munch points out though, the timing and content of dazza’s updates NEVER actually seem to precede or elaborate on news already reported on the various Twitter feeds. Edited by Phil’s Barber (03 Jul 2021 10.03am)

Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 03 Jul 21 10.02am

Originally posted by doombear

I just happen to think on this occasion he may be right. After all, a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I know doombear and I’m inclined to agree with you on this one, as there is a lot of talk on the internet and social media about the PV announcement.

As Monster Munch points out though, the timing and content of dazza’s updates NEVER actually seem to precede or elaborate on news already reported on the various Twitter feeds.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (03 Jul 2021 10.03am)

Helmet46 Croydon 03 Jul 21 10.03am
Originally posted by Painter You seem to expect a weekly update of the going ons at the club. This isnt issued by any other club, why should Palace. It has been the close season, when players have been on their holidays, any issues would of been dealt with by Freeman. Regarding the manager situation, they dont want to announce officially who they are going after, as there are enough rumours in the media already, why add fuel to the fire. A new manager will be announced, when everything is signed and sealed, not before. The fact that the board have a huge financial investment in the club, gives a reassurance that they are doing their best to secure their investment by getting the best person for the job. Having disgruntled fans whos appartant self entitlement for all the detils, isnt top of their agenda. Did you bother to read my post? (I have assumed not). This is what I said in the second paragraph:- “I don’t harbour any expectations to hear company secrets, I don’t expect to receive their hit list nor hear about negotiations but I do believe that the club should attempt to calm us all down a bit with a comment to the effect that all is under control, player contracts are being dealt with, scouting continues etc.” That’s not a weekly update - that’s simply a request for “don’t worry, all under control” as I also said in that paragraph. Or are you saying that, as fans, we are not “entitled” to that? Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 10.06am)

Helmet46

Croydon 03 Jul 21 10.03am

Originally posted by Painter

You seem to expect a weekly update of the going ons at the club. This isnt issued by any other club, why should Palace.
It has been the close season, when players have been on their holidays, any issues would of been dealt with by Freeman.
Regarding the manager situation, they dont want to announce officially who they are going after, as there are enough rumours in the media already, why add fuel to the fire.
A new manager will be announced, when everything is signed and sealed, not before. The fact that the board have a huge financial investment in the club, gives a reassurance that they are doing their best to secure their investment by getting the best person for the job. Having disgruntled fans whos appartant self entitlement for all the detils, isnt top of their agenda.

Did you bother to read my post? (I have assumed not). This is what I said in the second paragraph:-

“I don’t harbour any expectations to hear company secrets, I don’t expect to receive their hit list nor hear about negotiations but I do believe that the club should attempt to calm us all down a bit with a comment to the effect that all is under control, player contracts are being dealt with, scouting continues etc.”

That’s not a weekly update - that’s simply a request for “don’t worry, all under control” as I also said in that paragraph.

Or are you saying that, as fans, we are not “entitled” to that?

Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 10.06am)

dazza Wallington 03 Jul 21 10.07am
Originally posted by Phil’s Barber I know doombear and I’m inclined to agree with you on this one, as there is a lot of talk on the internet and social media about the PV announcement. As Monster Munch points out though, the timing and content of dazza’s updates NEVER actually seem to precede or elaborate on news already reported on the various Twitter feeds. Edited by Phil’s Barber (03 Jul 2021 10.03am) Seriously, why keep going on about it don’t read the messages then that way you won’t get irritated by them. No one is asking you believe them. You have choices in life now make yours & stop whining about the messages. Someone just posted what others have said how do you know they have not gleaned that from me? Just saying you should not Assume things?

dazza

Wallington 03 Jul 21 10.07am

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

I know doombear and I’m inclined to agree with you on this one, as there is a lot of talk on the internet and social media about the PV announcement.

As Monster Munch points out though, the timing and content of dazza’s updates NEVER actually seem to precede or elaborate on news already reported on the various Twitter feeds.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (03 Jul 2021 10.03am)

Seriously, why keep going on about it don’t read the messages then that way you won’t get irritated by them.

No one is asking you believe them.

You have choices in life now make yours & stop whining about the messages.

Someone just posted what others have said how do you know they have not gleaned that from me?

Just saying you should not Assume things?

TheBigToePunt 03 Jul 21 10.32am
Originally posted by Helmet46 Did you bother to read my post? (I have assumed not). This is what I said in the second paragraph:- “I don’t harbour any expectations to hear company secrets, I don’t expect to receive their hit list nor hear about negotiations but I do believe that the club should attempt to calm us all down a bit with a comment to the effect that all is under control, player contracts are being dealt with, scouting continues etc.” That’s not a weekly update - that’s simply a request for “don’t worry, all under control” as I also said in that paragraph. Or are you saying that, as fans, we are not “entitled” to that? Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 10.06am) But what part of the update you envisage can we not work out for ourselves?

TheBigToePunt

03 Jul 21 10.32am

Originally posted by Helmet46

Did you bother to read my post? (I have assumed not). This is what I said in the second paragraph:-

That’s not a weekly update - that’s simply a request for “don’t worry, all under control” as I also said in that paragraph.

Or are you saying that, as fans, we are not “entitled” to that?

Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 10.06am)

But what part of the update you envisage can we not work out for ourselves?

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 21 10.36am
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt But what part of the update you envisage can we not work out for ourselves? Furthermore, I cannot recall other clubs issuing such re-assuring messages to their fanbase in similar circumstances. Some cynical supporters might even conclude it is just a PR Exercise with a great deal of "Spin" !

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 21 10.36am

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

But what part of the update you envisage can we not work out for ourselves?

Furthermore, I cannot recall other clubs issuing such re-assuring messages to their fanbase in similar circumstances.
Some cynical supporters might even conclude it is just a PR Exercise with a great deal of "Spin" !

MonsterMunch Cambridge 03 Jul 21 10.38am
Originally posted by dazza Seriously, why keep going on about it don’t read the messages then that way you won’t get irritated by them. No one is asking you believe them. You have choices in life now make yours & stop whining about the messages. Someone just posted what others have said how do you know they have not gleaned that from me? Just saying you should not Assume things? Because unfortunately you always post after it’s hit mainstream media. Take a look at my recent examples. When you’ve got pretty much every prediction wrong you should maybe vett your information a little more thoroughly than making defined predictions. Football fans take info on their club seriously and your recycling of information is not helpful when there’s already a lot of dissatisfaction for the club. If you are prepared to put yourself out there again and again with information then you should be prepared to take the criticism. Your track record is very poor so not sure what you are expecting. It’s obvious Twitter is your source. It’s a shame those on here fuel your ego trip which actually is not helpful for you.

MonsterMunch

Cambridge 03 Jul 21 10.38am

Originally posted by dazza

Seriously, why keep going on about it don’t read the messages then that way you won’t get irritated by them.

No one is asking you believe them.

You have choices in life now make yours & stop whining about the messages.

Someone just posted what others have said how do you know they have not gleaned that from me?

Just saying you should not Assume things?

Because unfortunately you always post after it’s hit mainstream media. Take a look at my recent examples. When you’ve got pretty much every prediction wrong you should maybe vett your information a little more thoroughly than making defined predictions. Football fans take info on their club seriously and your recycling of information is not helpful when there’s already a lot of dissatisfaction for the club. If you are prepared to put yourself out there again and again with information then you should be prepared to take the criticism. Your track record is very poor so not sure what you are expecting. It’s obvious Twitter is your source. It’s a shame those on here fuel your ego trip which actually is not helpful for you.

Putitout Oxford 03 Jul 21 10.42am
Quiet honestly, Dazza, as with all of us ,has been led up the garden path throughout this. Essentially that’s not purely his fault or possibly even his so called source Throughout this whole saga, we the fans have been feed absolutely nothing confirmed by those that that actually matter. It has all almost certainly been guesswork by various small time journalists occasionally picked up briefly by main stream simply because it’s all over the internet, and they don’t want to appear left out of the frenzy. Palace, will have talked to any number of potentials, that never had been virtually in the bag, it would seem for much of this small time media, guessing who got talked to is enough to claim an advanced negotiation . That is all we have ever really had a drip feed of other peoples guess work.

Putitout

Oxford 03 Jul 21 10.42am

Quiet honestly, Dazza, as with all of us ,has been led up the garden path throughout this. Essentially that’s not purely his fault or possibly even his so called source
Throughout this whole saga, we the fans have been feed absolutely nothing confirmed by those that that actually matter. It has all almost certainly been guesswork by various small time journalists occasionally picked up briefly by main stream simply because it’s all over the internet, and they don’t want to appear left out of the frenzy.
Palace, will have talked to any number of potentials, that never had been virtually in the bag, it would seem for much of this small time media, guessing who got talked to is enough to claim an advanced negotiation . That is all we have ever really had a drip feed of other peoples guess work.

orpingtoneagle Orpington 03 Jul 21 10.45am
The club have by their actions created a vacuum and as always various parties seek to fill it, be it fans, the media or clickbait sites. This is a situation of the owners making at a crucial time and just I think show at best nievety or at worse incompetence at a high level within the organisation. The fact that we have not announced another 'done deal' name to me suggests that there are again real issues recruiting a decent manager.

orpingtoneagle

Orpington 03 Jul 21 10.45am

The club have by their actions created a vacuum and as always various parties seek to fill it, be it fans, the media or clickbait sites.

This is a situation of the owners making at a crucial time and just I think show at best nievety or at worse incompetence at a high level within the organisation.

The fact that we have not announced another 'done deal' name to me suggests that there are again real issues recruiting a decent manager.

Helmet46 Croydon 03 Jul 21 10.46am
Originally posted by Willo Furthermore, I cannot recall other clubs issuing such re-assuring messages to their fanbase in similar circumstances. Some cynical supporters might even conclude it is just a PR Exercise with a great deal of "Spin" ! I appreciate all of this. I’m just a little fed up with fans expressing disquiet about the time taken and the silence from the club, only to be told that makes them “entitled” when they seek news. To be fair, unless you are a season ticket holder or subscribe to other clubs as a member it is unlikely that you would recall such an event? As I said before, fans invest a lot of time, sweat, money and tears into their club and when there is some disgruntlement amongst the fanbase it is perhaps not rocket science to suggest that a message may well soothe some ruffled feathers. Personally I don’t consider that request as making me entitled but this is all about opinions. Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 10.47am)

Helmet46

Croydon 03 Jul 21 10.46am

Originally posted by Willo

I appreciate all of this. I’m just a little fed up with fans expressing disquiet about the time taken and the silence from the club, only to be told that makes them “entitled” when they seek news.
To be fair, unless you are a season ticket holder or subscribe to other clubs as a member it is unlikely that you would recall such an event?
As I said before, fans invest a lot of time, sweat, money and tears into their club and when there is some disgruntlement amongst the fanbase it is perhaps not rocket science to suggest that a message may well soothe some ruffled feathers.
Personally I don’t consider that request as making me entitled but this is all about opinions.

Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 10.47am)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 21 10.54am
Originally posted by Helmet46 I appreciate all of this. I’m just a little fed up with fans expressing disquiet about the time taken and the silence from the club, only to be told that makes them “entitled” when they seek news. To be fair, unless you are a season ticket holder or subscribe to other clubs as a member it is unlikely that you would recall such an event? As I said before, fans invest a lot of time, sweat, money and tears into their club and when there is some disgruntlement amongst the fanbase it is perhaps not rocket science to suggest that a message may well soothe some ruffled feathers. Personally I don’t consider that request as making me entitled but this is all about opinions. Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 10.47am) With respect, I have not gallivanted down the "Entitled" route in this discussion. I respect your view that you would like reassuring messages from the club but I don't recall other clubs issuing "It will alright on the night" messages to their supporters in similar circumstances. Steve Parish has said that it is better to get the "Right manager" than a "Manager now" and the process always takes longer than expected. Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 10.58am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 21 10.54am

Originally posted by Helmet46

I appreciate all of this. I’m just a little fed up with fans expressing disquiet about the time taken and the silence from the club, only to be told that makes them “entitled” when they seek news.
To be fair, unless you are a season ticket holder or subscribe to other clubs as a member it is unlikely that you would recall such an event?
As I said before, fans invest a lot of time, sweat, money and tears into their club and when there is some disgruntlement amongst the fanbase it is perhaps not rocket science to suggest that a message may well soothe some ruffled feathers.
Personally I don’t consider that request as making me entitled but this is all about opinions.

Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 10.47am)

With respect, I have not gallivanted down the "Entitled" route in this discussion.

I respect your view that you would like reassuring messages from the club but I don't recall other clubs issuing "It will alright on the night" messages to their supporters in similar circumstances.

Steve Parish has said that it is better to get the "Right manager" than a "Manager now" and the process always takes longer than expected.

Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 10.58am)

Putitout Oxford 03 Jul 21 10.57am
Originally posted by Willo Furthermore, I cannot recall other clubs issuing such re-assuring messages to their fanbase in similar circumstances. Some cynical supporters might even conclude it is just a PR Exercise with a great deal of "Spin" ! Be fair Willo, Can you recall to many other Premier league clubs that have appeared to be in such a state of disarray ,with just six weeks before the start of a new season. Those about to go broke excluded? The club is not displaying a stable stance by any stretch . I think there is not just concern for a lot of fans in this situation, but fear.

Putitout

Oxford 03 Jul 21 10.57am

Originally posted by Willo

Be fair Willo, Can you recall to many other Premier league clubs that have appeared to be in such a state of disarray ,with just six weeks before the start of a new season. Those about to go broke excluded? The club is not displaying a stable stance by any stretch .
I think there is not just concern for a lot of fans in this situation, but fear.

HKOwen Hong Kong 03 Jul 21 11.00am
Why do you persist with the assertion you are somehow in the know or have a secret source. My theory is that somehow in your world it makes you superior to others not in your " position " Your faux sharing does not wash, neither does the " only passing on in good faith " angle. You have consistently been wrong. The great benefit of having a new manager appointed is that we can close this thread. Hopefully you will not then switch your attention to transfers. You are right that people can choose not to read your posts but you could assist there. Please stop, I don't believe anyone here views you as superior, rather deluded and somewhat to be pitied. Originally posted by dazza Seriously, why keep going on about it don’t read the messages then that way you won’t get irritated by them. No one is asking you believe them. You have choices in life now make yours & stop whining about the messages. Someone just posted what others have said how do you know they have not gleaned that from me? Just saying you should not Assume things? Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 03 Jul 21 11.00am

Why do you persist with the assertion you are somehow in the know or have a secret source.

My theory is that somehow in your world it makes you superior to others not in your " position "

Your faux sharing does not wash, neither does the " only passing on in good faith " angle.

You have consistently been wrong.

The great benefit of having a new manager appointed is that we can close this thread.

Hopefully you will not then switch your attention to transfers.

You are right that people can choose not to read your posts but you could assist there.

Please stop, I don't believe anyone here views you as superior, rather deluded and somewhat to be pitied.

Originally posted by dazza

Seriously, why keep going on about it don’t read the messages then that way you won’t get irritated by them.

No one is asking you believe them.

You have choices in life now make yours & stop whining about the messages.

Someone just posted what others have said how do you know they have not gleaned that from me?

Just saying you should not Assume things?

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 03 Jul 21 11.04am
While I understand people's frustration with the manager situation and exasperation with the players contracts, just because the Club have said little officially does not equate to nothing being done. If the players list currently in circulation is accurate then I think most would agree that the right decisions have been made. What Parish has said is that identifying a new manager has been a '' challenge ''. That comes as no surprise - look at the pages of debate on here about the merits or otherwise of the media reported candidates. I don't have Blind Faith in Steve Parish but I do believe that by next week we will have a manager in place and a group of players that can start preparing for the new season. I will however need some convincing that Palace have a £80m transfer budget ! Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 03 Jul 21 11.04am

While I understand people's frustration with the manager situation and exasperation with the players contracts, just because the Club have said little officially does not equate to nothing being done.

If the players list currently in circulation is accurate then I think most would agree that the right decisions have been made.

What Parish has said is that identifying a new manager has been a '' challenge ''. That comes as no surprise - look at the pages of debate on here about the merits or otherwise of the media reported candidates.

I don't have Blind Faith in Steve Parish but I do believe that by next week we will have a manager in place and a group of players that can start preparing for the new season.

I will however need some convincing that Palace have a £80m transfer budget !

Old, Ungifted and White

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 21 11.09am
Originally posted by Putitout Be fair Willo, Can you recall to many other Premier league clubs that have appeared to be in such a state of disarray ,with just six weeks before the start of a new season. Those about to go broke excluded? The club is not displaying a stable stance by any stretch . I think there is not just concern for a lot of fans in this situation, but fear. Certainly not normal for PL clubs to be in our position. Finding a manager has been challenging and certainly protracted and supporters in the main are expecting a challenging season. In terms of re-building a squad,at lower levels, clubs release swathes of players ad re-build,but of course mostly 'Frees'. Blackpool signed over 20 players and got promoted, Bolton nearly 30 players and were also promoted. Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 11.16am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 21 11.09am

Originally posted by Putitout

Certainly not normal for PL clubs to be in our position.
Finding a manager has been challenging and certainly protracted and supporters in the main are expecting a challenging season.

In terms of re-building a squad,at lower levels, clubs release swathes of players ad re-build,but of course mostly 'Frees'.
Blackpool signed over 20 players and got promoted, Bolton nearly 30 players and were also promoted.

Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 11.16am)

Helmet46 Croydon 03 Jul 21 11.27am
Originally posted by Willo Certainly not normal for PL clubs to be in our position. Finding a manager has been challenging and certainly protracted and supporters in the main are expecting a challenging season. In terms of re-building a squad,at lower levels, clubs release swathes of players ad re-build,but of course mostly 'Frees'. Blackpool signed over 20 players and got promoted, Bolton nearly 30 players and were also promoted. Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 11.16am) But it’s not just the manager is it? The time we take to get transfers across the line does rather suggest that we will struggle to hit the new managers targets. Do we procrastinate a little too much? From the not ITK outside it does rather suggest we do. (But that’s just my opinion, of course). We would/could never sign over 20 players in 6 weeks. It takes us about that time to get one done. Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 11.28am)

Helmet46

Croydon 03 Jul 21 11.27am

Originally posted by Willo

Certainly not normal for PL clubs to be in our position.
Finding a manager has been challenging and certainly protracted and supporters in the main are expecting a challenging season.

Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 11.16am)

But it’s not just the manager is it? The time we take to get transfers across the line does rather suggest that we will struggle to hit the new managers targets. Do we procrastinate a little too much? From the not ITK outside it does rather suggest we do. (But that’s just my opinion, of course). We would/could never sign over 20 players in 6 weeks. It takes us about that time to get one done.

Edited by Helmet46 (03 Jul 2021 11.28am)

Putitout Oxford 03 Jul 21 11.33am
Originally posted by Willo Certainly not normal for PL clubs to be in our position. Finding a manager has been challenging and certainly protracted and supporters in the main are expecting a challenging season. In terms of re-building a squad,at lower levels, clubs release swathes of players ad re-build,but of course mostly 'Frees'. Blackpool signed over 20 players and got promoted, Bolton nearly 30 players and were also promoted. Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 11.16am) I said way back this is common in the lower leagues, not in the Premier. That is a big part of why so many are worried for the club. It’s not been tried in the Premier ,is the best one can say , maybe Parish, wants to set a precedent for success in the top most demanding league in the world?

Putitout

Oxford 03 Jul 21 11.33am

Originally posted by Willo

Certainly not normal for PL clubs to be in our position.
Finding a manager has been challenging and certainly protracted and supporters in the main are expecting a challenging season.

Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2021 11.16am)

I said way back this is common in the lower leagues, not in the Premier. That is a big part of why so many are worried for the club.
It’s not been tried in the Premier ,is the best one can say , maybe Parish, wants to set a precedent for success in the top most demanding league in the world?

crystal-purley Purley 03 Jul 21 11.48am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle In the 11 years of CPFC2010 there has only been one master plan with a coherent strategy that has worked and that is the way that Parish acquired the club as per the final chapter in Simon Jordan's book The second master plan that is partway to fruition is the upgrading of the academy to the top status in order to attract and develop the best talent from the local area. Time will tell if this has worked. Most of the other successes seem to be the result of luck in what I have called serendipity management. I was roundly derided years ago when I wondered out loud if we would have been promoted if it wasn't for the happy accident of having a young lad called Wilfried Zaha in our youth ranks. On occasions when we have had to dispense with managers due to the risk of relegation Parish has been fortunate to have anti relegation specialists like Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson available to hire. Some of the transfer windows have been dreadful leaving us with huge gaps in our squad but by the biggest stroke of luck we have managed to survive. As you can see I am a sceptic when words and phrases like "master plans" and "strategy" are bandied about. If our next manager is to be Vieira and he is successful will it be down to a cleverly thought out strategy or just more of Parish's luck? Agree with all of this and would add that "we" bought the club for pennies as we had gone bust (is it just a rumour that one of our directors had a hand in the club going bust by calling in a debt or is that what you were alluding to) Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

crystal-purley

Purley 03 Jul 21 11.48am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Most of the other successes seem to be the result of luck in what I have called serendipity management.

I was roundly derided years ago when I wondered out loud if we would have been promoted if it wasn't for the happy accident of having a young lad called Wilfried Zaha in our youth ranks.

Some of the transfer windows have been dreadful leaving us with huge gaps in our squad but by the biggest stroke of luck we have managed to survive.

As you can see I am a sceptic when words and phrases like "master plans" and "strategy" are bandied about.

If our next manager is to be Vieira and he is successful will it be down to a cleverly thought out strategy or just more of Parish's luck?

Agree with all of this and would add that "we" bought the club for pennies as we had gone bust (is it just a rumour that one of our directors had a hand in the club going bust by calling in a debt or is that what you were alluding to)

Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

HKOwen Hong Kong 03 Jul 21 12.00pm
I would include the oft used " next level " whatever that is supposed to br Originally posted by Midlands Eagle In the 11 years of CPFC2010 there has only been one master plan with a coherent strategy that has worked and that is the way that Parish acquired the club as per the final chapter in Simon Jordan's book The second master plan that is partway to fruition is the upgrading of the academy to the top status in order to attract and develop the best talent from the local area. Time will tell if this has worked. Most of the other successes seem to be the result of luck in what I have called serendipity management. I was roundly derided years ago when I wondered out loud if we would have been promoted if it wasn't for the happy accident of having a young lad called Wilfried Zaha in our youth ranks. On occasions when we have had to dispense with managers due to the risk of relegation Parish has been fortunate to have anti relegation specialists like Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson available to hire. Some of the transfer windows have been dreadful leaving us with huge gaps in our squad but by the biggest stroke of luck we have managed to survive. As you can see I am a sceptic when words and phrases like "master plans" and "strategy" are bandied about. If our next manager is to be Vieira and he is successful will it be down to a cleverly thought out strategy or just more of Parish's luck? Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 03 Jul 21 12.00pm

I would include the oft used " next level " whatever that is supposed to br

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Most of the other successes seem to be the result of luck in what I have called serendipity management.

I was roundly derided years ago when I wondered out loud if we would have been promoted if it wasn't for the happy accident of having a young lad called Wilfried Zaha in our youth ranks.

Some of the transfer windows have been dreadful leaving us with huge gaps in our squad but by the biggest stroke of luck we have managed to survive.

As you can see I am a sceptic when words and phrases like "master plans" and "strategy" are bandied about.

If our next manager is to be Vieira and he is successful will it be down to a cleverly thought out strategy or just more of Parish's luck?

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