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Teddy Eagle 18 Sep 23 10.58pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why would he apologise if the claims were untrue? I have yet to hear anything that convinces me that the claims are untrue. That he was proud of his behaviour is besides the point. The point is whether it was always consensual. Not sometimes or even most times but always. Whether enough evidence can be presented to clear the relatively high bar needed for a criminal conviction, especially given the time elapsed, is yet to be determined. The CPS could easily refuse to allow a prosecution. That though doesn’t mean Brand would succeed with a deformation suit. Which would leave us all to reach our own conclusions. Which will be as divided as they always are here. And since it took 5 minutes of the programme for a conclusion to be reached no one can say all the evidence wasn't objectively assessed.

Teddy Eagle

18 Sep 23 10.58pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why would he apologise if the claims were untrue?

I have yet to hear anything that convinces me that the claims are untrue. That he was proud of his behaviour is besides the point. The point is whether it was always consensual. Not sometimes or even most times but always.

Whether enough evidence can be presented to clear the relatively high bar needed for a criminal conviction, especially given the time elapsed, is yet to be determined. The CPS could easily refuse to allow a prosecution.

That though doesn’t mean Brand would succeed with a deformation suit.

Which would leave us all to reach our own conclusions. Which will be as divided as they always are here.

And since it took 5 minutes of the programme for a conclusion to be reached no one can say all the evidence wasn't objectively assessed.

Stirlingsays 18 Sep 23 11.32pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC And if he’s completely innocent as you’re both inferring as it fits your narratives, I await his aggressive legal response, which, against unfounded and made up allegations will wipe the floor with all of the accusers, journalists and corporations. He’ll make a pretty penny. On balance it seems pretty likely that he’s overstepped the mark a few times out of the 500 plus encounters he’s no doubt had. Don’t think I’ve ever heard of a respectful sex addict. Does make me laugh that the right embrace him so warmly now he’s no longer the lefts darling, and now they’ll do anything to protect him. The big shame is that when balanced he had/has had some very on the nail summations of the issue with power and corruption. Amongst other things. But that doesn’t make you immortal You misread. My position on rape has been pretty constant on Hol regardless of who was accused of it. That's independent of whether someone is on the right or left. It's evidence based, something that is very hard to prove with this kind of crime. Do I think that Brand is a rapist? I certainly doubt it. But how would I know. We will await developments. However, I've already suggested what I think the outcome will be. Anyway do I think that promiscuous people get themselves into dodgey situations and sometimes shag mentally unstable people?....certainly I've seen it happen. They make the choices and them the breaks. Does that make them a rapist? I doubt it. However, as I say, it's my view that Brand is also the subject of bad faith actors mixed in with activism. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Sep 23 11.32pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

And if he’s completely innocent as you’re both inferring as it fits your narratives, I await his aggressive legal response, which, against unfounded and made up allegations will wipe the floor with all of the accusers, journalists and corporations. He’ll make a pretty penny.

On balance it seems pretty likely that he’s overstepped the mark a few times out of the 500 plus encounters he’s no doubt had. Don’t think I’ve ever heard of a respectful sex addict.

Does make me laugh that the right embrace him so warmly now he’s no longer the lefts darling, and now they’ll do anything to protect him.

The big shame is that when balanced he had/has had some very on the nail summations of the issue with power and corruption. Amongst other things.

But that doesn’t make you immortal

You misread.

My position on rape has been pretty constant on Hol regardless of who was accused of it. That's independent of whether someone is on the right or left.

It's evidence based, something that is very hard to prove with this kind of crime.

Do I think that Brand is a rapist? I certainly doubt it. But how would I know. We will await developments.

However, I've already suggested what I think the outcome will be.

Anyway do I think that promiscuous people get themselves into dodgey situations and sometimes shag mentally unstable people?....certainly I've seen it happen.

They make the choices and them the breaks.

Does that make them a rapist? I doubt it.

However, as I say, it's my view that Brand is also the subject of bad faith actors mixed in with activism.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 18 Sep 23 11.47pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You misread. My position on rape has been pretty constant on Hol regardless of who was accused of it. That's independent of whether someone is on the right or left. It's evidence based, something that is very hard to prove with this kind of crime. Do I think that Brand is a rapist? I certainly doubt it. But how would I know. We will await developments. However, I've already suggested what I think the outcome will be. Anyway do I think that promiscuous people get themselves into dodgey situations and sometimes shag mentally unstable people?....certainly I've seen it happen. They make the choices and them the breaks. Does that make them a rapist? I doubt it. However, as I say, it's my view that Brand is also the subject of bad faith actors mixed in with activism. I didn’t misread. It’s inferred and backed up by your quite amusing suggestion that his accusers are all mentally unstable, and therefore fabricating their claims. I’d say on probability the chance of some journos spending over a year of their lives on this and betting the house on some crazy women’s rantings, plus having various legal teams sign off on it going public is extremely low. The chance a slightly oddball narcissist with a well documented sex addiction who has probably churned through several hundred women not once crossing a line into an unconsensual act? Much higher. Simple probability. He’s not big enough to warrant the time, effort and resources to bother orchestrating some highly risky elaborate made up ruse to silence him in his waning years. There’s no logic there. At all Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 18 Sep 23 11.47pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You misread.

My position on rape has been pretty constant on Hol regardless of who was accused of it. That's independent of whether someone is on the right or left.

It's evidence based, something that is very hard to prove with this kind of crime.

Do I think that Brand is a rapist? I certainly doubt it. But how would I know. We will await developments.

However, I've already suggested what I think the outcome will be.

Anyway do I think that promiscuous people get themselves into dodgey situations and sometimes shag mentally unstable people?....certainly I've seen it happen.

They make the choices and them the breaks.

Does that make them a rapist? I doubt it.

However, as I say, it's my view that Brand is also the subject of bad faith actors mixed in with activism.

I didn’t misread. It’s inferred and backed up by your quite amusing suggestion that his accusers are all mentally unstable, and therefore fabricating their claims.

I’d say on probability the chance of some journos spending over a year of their lives on this and betting the house on some crazy women’s rantings, plus having various legal teams sign off on it going public is extremely low.

The chance a slightly oddball narcissist with a well documented sex addiction who has probably churned through several hundred women not once crossing a line into an unconsensual act? Much higher.

Simple probability.

He’s not big enough to warrant the time, effort and resources to bother orchestrating some highly risky elaborate made up ruse to silence him in his waning years.

There’s no logic there. At all

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Stirlingsays 19 Sep 23 12.13am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC I didn’t misread. It’s inferred and backed up by your quite amusing suggestion that his accusers are all mentally unstable, and therefore fabricating their claims. I’d say on probability the chance of some journos spending over a year of their lives on this and betting the house on some crazy women’s rantings, plus having various legal teams sign off on it going public is extremely low. The chance a slightly oddball narcissist with a well documented sex addiction who has probably churned through several hundred women not once crossing a line into an unconsensual act? Much higher. Simple probability. He’s not big enough to warrant the time, effort and resources to bother orchestrating some highly risky elaborate made up ruse to silence him in his waning years. There’s no logic there. At all Proving rape can be cut and dried....usually a bloke forces himself on an unwilling woman using violence or his strength..or maybe she's unconscious and we all know he deserves all the anger and retribution that should come his way. However, when that's not what's happened things can be complicated.....and as a social conservative I certainly don't approve of Brand's past behaviour as I've stated. Let me present a nuance of what I was implying. It's just a reality that If you're going to be like Brand and you shag that number of people you're going to put your d1ck in crazy many times. However, I didn't say that this means all these accusers are mentally unstable?....you misread...I didn't say that. It can be far more complicated. Whose to say what the motives might be amongst all of them. It can be complex. The reality of subjectivity and in the moment decisions can mean that two people can have two different perceptions of an event. Sometimes even different before and after they occur....it's happened many times over the years. Taking a reasonable line on what went on can be complicated and it isn't always black and white. Even the definition of what consent is and what someone can reasonably perceive can differ between individuals....cases like that have been seen many times in sex cases and can find themselves in the weeds. At the simple level maybe he's done what you suggest and has raped women....or any of the descriptions that might be used for it. Perhaps it'll all come out like that in court....or perhaps it'll end as I suggested. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2023 12.30am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

19 Sep 23 12.13am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I didn’t misread. It’s inferred and backed up by your quite amusing suggestion that his accusers are all mentally unstable, and therefore fabricating their claims.

The chance a slightly oddball narcissist with a well documented sex addiction who has probably churned through several hundred women not once crossing a line into an unconsensual act? Much higher.

Simple probability.

He’s not big enough to warrant the time, effort and resources to bother orchestrating some highly risky elaborate made up ruse to silence him in his waning years.

There’s no logic there. At all

Proving rape can be cut and dried....usually a bloke forces himself on an unwilling woman using violence or his strength..or maybe she's unconscious and we all know he deserves all the anger and retribution that should come his way.

However, when that's not what's happened things can be complicated.....and as a social conservative I certainly don't approve of Brand's past behaviour as I've stated.

Let me present a nuance of what I was implying. It's just a reality that If you're going to be like Brand and you shag that number of people you're going to put your d1ck in crazy many times.

However, I didn't say that this means all these accusers are mentally unstable?....you misread...I didn't say that. It can be far more complicated.

Whose to say what the motives might be amongst all of them. It can be complex. The reality of subjectivity and in the moment decisions can mean that two people can have two different perceptions of an event. Sometimes even different before and after they occur....it's happened many times over the years. Taking a reasonable line on what went on can be complicated and it isn't always black and white.

Even the definition of what consent is and what someone can reasonably perceive can differ between individuals....cases like that have been seen many times in sex cases and can find themselves in the weeds.

At the simple level maybe he's done what you suggest and has raped women....or any of the descriptions that might be used for it.

Perhaps it'll all come out like that in court....or perhaps it'll end as I suggested.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2023 12.30am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Matov 19 Sep 23 6.47am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC He’s not big enough to warrant the time, effort and resources to bother orchestrating some highly risky elaborate made up ruse to silence him in his waning years. There’s no logic there. At all But there is logic in having some claims, from decades ago, that will never stand up in court? My understanding is that Brand now presents himself as a family man. And nobody (yet) is emerging from the woodwork to challenge that narrative. I get what you are saying about deriding the notion it was done to silence his political views because it will actually do the opposite. Making a lot of people who probably had forgotten about him, seek him out now. But what public interest, in the here and now, is there is airing historical allegations of sex-crimes which will boil down to 'he said, she said'? And doing so in such a publicity-seeking manner? That is the bit I don't get. I cannot imagine any of it making court based on what was aired with the more lurid allegations not even falling within British juristriction. Any of these women could have gone to the police of their own validation at any time. They chose not to. In fact, the reporting team actually tracked them down, along with dozens, possibly hundreds, of others whose own encounters were clearly not worthy of telling us about. This was a top down operation. And given a genuine prominence through both what is considered the eminent newspaper of our time along with an award winning documentary team. Which is fine. But still none of that explains the 'why' in terms the effort. Brand is barely B list these days and has been so for years. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

19 Sep 23 6.47am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

He’s not big enough to warrant the time, effort and resources to bother orchestrating some highly risky elaborate made up ruse to silence him in his waning years.

There’s no logic there. At all

But there is logic in having some claims, from decades ago, that will never stand up in court? My understanding is that Brand now presents himself as a family man. And nobody (yet) is emerging from the woodwork to challenge that narrative.

I get what you are saying about deriding the notion it was done to silence his political views because it will actually do the opposite. Making a lot of people who probably had forgotten about him, seek him out now.

But what public interest, in the here and now, is there is airing historical allegations of sex-crimes which will boil down to 'he said, she said'? And doing so in such a publicity-seeking manner? That is the bit I don't get. I cannot imagine any of it making court based on what was aired with the more lurid allegations not even falling within British juristriction.

Any of these women could have gone to the police of their own validation at any time. They chose not to. In fact, the reporting team actually tracked them down, along with dozens, possibly hundreds, of others whose own encounters were clearly not worthy of telling us about.

This was a top down operation. And given a genuine prominence through both what is considered the eminent newspaper of our time along with an award winning documentary team. Which is fine.

But still none of that explains the 'why' in terms the effort. Brand is barely B list these days and has been so for years.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 19 Sep 23 8.11am
As I was never a fan or paid much attention to RB I have been quite surprised over the last few days with a re-hash of his career. Most of the right wing papers are pointing out that RB at that time was a poster boy for the left. It seems quite amazing now that he was lauded by the BBC and C4 and many left wing politicians even though his misogynistic behaviour was out there in the open for all to see. Peter Hitchens has pointed out that the BBC hired him in 2012 4 years after Sachsgate. Obviously lessons were learned NOT. I guess it took the #MeToo campaign and RB's move away from the left (I have no idea what he stand for today and frankly don't care) before the TV companies started to distance themselves. As for Ed Milliband what the hell was he playing at. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 19 Sep 23 8.11am

As I was never a fan or paid much attention to RB I have been quite surprised over the last few days with a re-hash of his career.

Most of the right wing papers are pointing out that RB at that time was a poster boy for the left. It seems quite amazing now that he was lauded by the BBC and C4 and many left wing politicians even though his misogynistic behaviour was out there in the open for all to see.

Peter Hitchens has pointed out that the BBC hired him in 2012 4 years after Sachsgate. Obviously lessons were learned NOT.

I guess it took the #MeToo campaign and RB's move away from the left (I have no idea what he stand for today and frankly don't care) before the TV companies started to distance themselves.

As for Ed Milliband what the hell was he playing at.

One more point

mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 19 Sep 23 8.16am
Marketing departments will study this for years. At the same time, a lesson in Brand awareness and the need to re-Brand in one campaign. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 19 Sep 23 8.16am

Marketing departments will study this for years.

At the same time, a lesson in Brand awareness and the need to re-Brand in one campaign.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

Hrolf The Ganger 19 Sep 23 10.58am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why would he apologise if the claims were untrue? I have yet to hear anything that convinces me that the claims are untrue. That he was proud of his behaviour is besides the point. The point is whether it was always consensual. Not sometimes or even most times but always. Whether enough evidence can be presented to clear the relatively high bar needed for a criminal conviction, especially given the time elapsed, is yet to be determined. The CPS could easily refuse to allow a prosecution. That though doesn’t mean Brand would succeed with a deformation suit. Which would leave us all to reach our own conclusions. Which will be as divided as they always are here. You can apologise for acting badly, but that does not imply criminal behaviour. How many people have done things in their youth that in retrospect they know were ill judged? Morality is not set in stone. It changes from one decade to the next. Sometimes from one year to the next. The written law is rigid in terms of what you can and can't do, but the reality of people's behaviour is far more complex. In Russell Brand's case, I feel that his attitudes and current political views have made him a target for the new puritanical identity politics zealots. They will find ways to cancel you if you don't agree with them and irrespective of the outcome of this particular case, we need to resist their kind at all costs. His Youtube channel has already been restricted before any charges have been brought. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Sep 2023 10.59am)

Hrolf The Ganger

19 Sep 23 10.58am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why would he apologise if the claims were untrue?

That though doesn’t mean Brand would succeed with a deformation suit.

Which would leave us all to reach our own conclusions. Which will be as divided as they always are here.

You can apologise for acting badly, but that does not imply criminal behaviour.
How many people have done things in their youth that in retrospect they know were ill judged?

Morality is not set in stone. It changes from one decade to the next. Sometimes from one year to the next.

The written law is rigid in terms of what you can and can't do, but the reality of people's behaviour is far more complex.

In Russell Brand's case, I feel that his attitudes and current political views have made him a target for the new puritanical identity politics zealots.

They will find ways to cancel you if you don't agree with them and irrespective of the outcome of this particular case, we need to resist their kind at all costs. His Youtube channel has already been restricted before any charges have been brought.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Sep 2023 10.59am)

Spiderman Horsham 19 Sep 23 11.16am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why would he apologise if the claims were untrue? I have yet to hear anything that convinces me that the claims are untrue. That he was proud of his behaviour is besides the point. The point is whether it was always consensual. Not sometimes or even most times but always. Whether enough evidence can be presented to clear the relatively high bar needed for a criminal conviction, especially given the time elapsed, is yet to be determined. The CPS could easily refuse to allow a prosecution. That though doesn’t mean Brand would succeed with a deformation suit. Which would leave us all to reach our own conclusions. Which will be as divided as they always are here. The apology was for his behaviour. Doesn’t mention what that was. It could be “ sorry for forcing myself on you” but just as easily it could be “sorry I shouted at you and acted like a dick” Ones interpretation is, atm, down to your views on Brand. I did find it interesting when they mentioned WhatsApp messages but did not show any, unlike the text.

Spiderman

Horsham 19 Sep 23 11.16am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why would he apologise if the claims were untrue?

That though doesn’t mean Brand would succeed with a deformation suit.

Which would leave us all to reach our own conclusions. Which will be as divided as they always are here.

The apology was for his behaviour. Doesn’t mention what that was. It could be “ sorry for forcing myself on you” but just as easily it could be “sorry I shouted at you and acted like a dick” Ones interpretation is, atm, down to your views on Brand.
I did find it interesting when they mentioned WhatsApp messages but did not show any, unlike the text.

Stirlingsays 19 Sep 23 4.09pm
It's not lost on me that those that defended decades long Police inaction on mass rapes in this country now suddenly turn into 'rape crises' when allegations emerge against someone they moan about. About as transparent as glass. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

19 Sep 23 4.09pm

It's not lost on me that those that defended decades long Police inaction on mass rapes in this country now suddenly turn into 'rape crises' when allegations emerge against someone they moan about.

About as transparent as glass.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The groover Danbury 19 Sep 23 6.10pm
Just had a chat with one of my Daughters who informed me that one of her best friends has told her that he took her virginity (forced) at school in Grays. He was as nice as pie for a few weeks then effectively raped her. But pulled the consent card out. Word got a round the school what he was like, as a few of the girls had the same experience, and he had to cast his net further a field as those at school said no when he asked them out. Her friend was in tears as it brought it all back to her. No she wont be reporting it as she doesn't think it will be proved and she doesn't want to put herself and her family though the ringer. It seems he has been like this since his teens. I'm sure I will get the usual this is hearsay s***e. But this is much more than no smoke without fire.

The groover

Danbury 19 Sep 23 6.10pm

Just had a chat with one of my Daughters who informed me that one of her best friends has told her that he took her virginity (forced) at school in Grays. He was as nice as pie for a few weeks then effectively raped her. But pulled the consent card out. Word got a round the school what he was like, as a few of the girls had the same experience, and he had to cast his net further a field as those at school said no when he asked them out.

Her friend was in tears as it brought it all back to her. No she wont be reporting it as she doesn't think it will be proved and she doesn't want to put herself and her family though the ringer.

It seems he has been like this since his teens.

I'm sure I will get the usual this is hearsay s***e. But this is much more than no smoke without fire.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 10.25pm
Originally posted by The groover Just had a chat with one of my Daughters who informed me that one of her best friends has told her that he took her virginity (forced) at school in Grays. He was as nice as pie for a few weeks then effectively raped her. But pulled the consent card out. Word got a round the school what he was like, as a few of the girls had the same experience, and he had to cast his net further a field as those at school said no when he asked them out. Her friend was in tears as it brought it all back to her. No she wont be reporting it as she doesn't think it will be proved and she doesn't want to put herself and her family though the ringer. It seems he has been like this since his teens. I'm sure I will get the usual this is hearsay s***e. But this is much more than no smoke without fire. It is hearsay, but it also has the ring of truth, especially coming from a known and trusted source. All the claims have a ring of truth which I am prepared to be proved untrue but very much doubt will be. The usual suspects scrambling to find reasons to disbelieve what has been alleged is unsurprising but also disappointing. Brand is as clearly a duck as is Donald. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Sep 23 10.25pm

Originally posted by The groover

Her friend was in tears as it brought it all back to her. No she wont be reporting it as she doesn't think it will be proved and she doesn't want to put herself and her family though the ringer.

It seems he has been like this since his teens.

I'm sure I will get the usual this is hearsay s***e. But this is much more than no smoke without fire.

It is hearsay, but it also has the ring of truth, especially coming from a known and trusted source.

All the claims have a ring of truth which I am prepared to be proved untrue but very much doubt will be.

The usual suspects scrambling to find reasons to disbelieve what has been alleged is unsurprising but also disappointing.

Brand is as clearly a duck as is Donald.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

PalazioVecchio south pole 20 Sep 23 1.32am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger In Russell Brand's case, I feel that his attitudes and current political views have made him a target for the new puritanical identity politics zealots. They will find ways to cancel you if you don't agree with them and irrespective of the outcome of this particular case, we need to resist their kind at all costs. His Youtube channel has already been restricted before any charges have been brought. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Sep 2023 10.59am) Yes, his politics have nailed him. And fellas worse than him ? They pass political muster and they can escape any witch-hunt. Remember Savile ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 20 Sep 23 1.32am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

In Russell Brand's case, I feel that his attitudes and current political views have made him a target for the new puritanical identity politics zealots.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Sep 2023 10.59am)

Yes, his politics have nailed him. And fellas worse than him ? They pass political muster and they can escape any witch-hunt. Remember Savile ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Badger11 Beckenham 20 Sep 23 8.21am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You can apologise for acting badly, but that does not imply criminal behaviour. How many people have done things in their youth that in retrospect they know were ill judged? Morality is not set in stone. It changes from one decade to the next. Sometimes from one year to the next. The written law is rigid in terms of what you can and can't do, but the reality of people's behaviour is far more complex. In Russell Brand's case, I feel that his attitudes and current political views have made him a target for the new puritanical identity politics zealots. They will find ways to cancel you if you don't agree with them and irrespective of the outcome of this particular case, we need to resist their kind at all costs. His Youtube channel has already been restricted before any charges have been brought. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Sep 2023 10.59am) A journalist has just pointed out that Youtube have not banned RB but just stopped him making money. So they are appalled by his alleged behaviour but not enough to de-platform him which at least would be honest. Same journalist also pointed at that a female Guardian journalist defended him during Sachsgate telling Andrew Sachs granddaughter to "get over it" same journalist is now leading the "light the torches, to the castle men (or women or whatever).... " Media hypocrisy all round. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 20 Sep 23 8.21am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You can apologise for acting badly, but that does not imply criminal behaviour.
How many people have done things in their youth that in retrospect they know were ill judged?

Morality is not set in stone. It changes from one decade to the next. Sometimes from one year to the next.

The written law is rigid in terms of what you can and can't do, but the reality of people's behaviour is far more complex.

In Russell Brand's case, I feel that his attitudes and current political views have made him a target for the new puritanical identity politics zealots.

They will find ways to cancel you if you don't agree with them and irrespective of the outcome of this particular case, we need to resist their kind at all costs. His Youtube channel has already been restricted before any charges have been brought.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Sep 2023 10.59am)

A journalist has just pointed out that Youtube have not banned RB but just stopped him making money. So they are appalled by his alleged behaviour but not enough to de-platform him which at least would be honest.

Same journalist also pointed at that a female Guardian journalist defended him during Sachsgate telling Andrew Sachs granddaughter to "get over it" same journalist is now leading the "light the torches, to the castle men (or women or whatever).... "

Media hypocrisy all round.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 24 Sep 23 8.23am
BBC has 22 weather presenters. [Link] Okay some might say a waste of money but not one of the the biggest issues at the BBC and they'd be wrong. It actually highlights the management problem of the BBC. Each department appears to be a personal fiefdom of the person running it, not unique to the BBC. I remember this at the bank I worked at. You end up with duplication and overlapping of resources simply because the boss wants their own empire. The senior management at the bank were constantly fighting to cut back the duplication. The BBC has started to make progress they are trying to consolidate the massive duplication in the News department(s). I guess they are going for a model that ITV adopted decades ago e.g. ITN a central news agency for all of the ITV channels to use. Well clearly it's not just the news that requires this stream lining. BBC sport is another area On a Saturday afternoon I have heard different commentators on Radio 5 Live and then BBC Local radio for the same match and no doubt they both had their own backup staff. Then of course there is the abuse of taxis, and I am not just referring to Russel Brand. Many ex employees have gone on record to point out that staff will each call a taxi rather than share one and in the case of London not use public transport. The BBC is awash with money if it needs more to spend on programs it should look internally before asking the taxpayer. Edited by Badger11 (24 Sep 2023 8.26am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 24 Sep 23 8.23am

BBC has 22 weather presenters.

[Link]

Okay some might say a waste of money but not one of the the biggest issues at the BBC and they'd be wrong.

It actually highlights the management problem of the BBC. Each department appears to be a personal fiefdom of the person running it, not unique to the BBC. I remember this at the bank I worked at. You end up with duplication and overlapping of resources simply because the boss wants their own empire. The senior management at the bank were constantly fighting to cut back the duplication.

The BBC has started to make progress they are trying to consolidate the massive duplication in the News department(s). I guess they are going for a model that ITV adopted decades ago e.g. ITN a central news agency for all of the ITV channels to use.

Well clearly it's not just the news that requires this stream lining. BBC sport is another area On a Saturday afternoon I have heard different commentators on Radio 5 Live and then BBC Local radio for the same match and no doubt they both had their own backup staff.

Then of course there is the abuse of taxis, and I am not just referring to Russel Brand. Many ex employees have gone on record to point out that staff will each call a taxi rather than share one and in the case of London not use public transport.

The BBC is awash with money if it needs more to spend on programs it should look internally before asking the taxpayer.

Edited by Badger11 (24 Sep 2023 8.26am)

One more point

Midlands Eagle 24 Sep 23 9.04am
Originally posted by Badger11 BBC has 22 weather presenters. And Sarah Keith-Lucas is the only one worth watching Originally posted by Badger11 The BBC has started to make progress they are trying to consolidate the massive duplication in the News department(s). They seem to have got rid of all the lunchtime news presenters that I liked and replaced them with a bunch from BBC World News, most of whom seem to be foreign so now I tend to watch something else at lunchtime whilst eating my sarnie

Midlands Eagle

24 Sep 23 9.04am

Originally posted by Badger11

BBC has 22 weather presenters.

And Sarah Keith-Lucas is the only one worth watching

Originally posted by Badger11

The BBC has started to make progress they are trying to consolidate the massive duplication in the News department(s).

They seem to have got rid of all the lunchtime news presenters that I liked and replaced them with a bunch from BBC World News, most of whom seem to be foreign so now I tend to watch something else at lunchtime whilst eating my sarnie

Badger11 Beckenham 24 Sep 23 9.24am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle They seem to have got rid of all the lunchtime news presenters that I liked and replaced them with a bunch from BBC World News, most of whom seem to be foreign so now I tend to watch something else at lunchtime whilst eating my sarnie I never watch the news on any channel so I will take your word for it. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 24 Sep 23 9.24am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I never watch the news on any channel so I will take your word for it.

One more point

steeleye20 Croydon 24 Sep 23 10.07am
Kuessenberg this morning without her, but Victoria Derbyshire. And she's no pushover like Laura. All the politicians had nothing to offer as ever but at least they were made to wriggle. A lively hour for a change, made better by her air of competence and organisation. She was persistent and everybody had their say, not just a tory political broadcast.

steeleye20

Croydon 24 Sep 23 10.07am

Kuessenberg this morning without her, but Victoria Derbyshire.

And she's no pushover like Laura.

All the politicians had nothing to offer as ever but at least they were made to wriggle.

A lively hour for a change, made better by her air of competence and organisation.

She was persistent and everybody had their say, not just a tory political broadcast.

PalazioVecchio south pole 24 Sep 23 6.18pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's not lost on me that those that defended decades long Police inaction on mass rapes in this country now suddenly turn into 'rape crises' when allegations emerge against someone they moan about. About as transparent as glass. ah yes. do we believe Russell Brand is way way worse than any of those pakistani Rape-Gangs ? Lets look at the age-profile of some of the alleged victims in both cases ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 24 Sep 23 6.18pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's not lost on me that those that defended decades long Police inaction on mass rapes in this country now suddenly turn into 'rape crises' when allegations emerge against someone they moan about.

About as transparent as glass.

ah yes. do we believe Russell Brand is way way worse than any of those pakistani Rape-Gangs ?

Lets look at the age-profile of some of the alleged victims in both cases ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Sep 23 9.06pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio ah yes. do we believe Russell Brand is way way worse than any of those pakistani Rape-Gangs ? Lets look at the age-profile of some of the alleged victims in both cases ? No one in their right mind would argue that Brand is worse than organised criminal rape gangs. They might though argue that describing those gangs as pakistani is unhelpful and serves no one. Especially the victims. They might argue that both deserve attention, for entirely different reasons. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 24 Sep 23 9.06pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

ah yes. do we believe Russell Brand is way way worse than any of those pakistani Rape-Gangs ?

Lets look at the age-profile of some of the alleged victims in both cases ?

No one in their right mind would argue that Brand is worse than organised criminal rape gangs.

They might though argue that describing those gangs as pakistani is unhelpful and serves no one. Especially the victims.

They might argue that both deserve attention, for entirely different reasons.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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