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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 28 Aug 19 12.29pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

1. They should’ve voted in the referendum then.

2. The people hell bent on preventing Brexit can blame themselves.

You’ll get a million or 2 people singing silly songs on coaches up from Dorset etc, waving EU flags and banners saying they’re European and not British. Fvck we should be afraid.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (28 Aug 2019 12.07pm)

Yes they should. But then 700,000 British citizens living or working abroad were blocked from being able to. The vast majority would have voted and would have voted Remain.

Add to that the 2 million who couldn't vote then but are now old enough. A huge majority would have voted remain if they follow the pattern of their slightly older peers.

So you do the sums. This is why the Brexit enthusiasts don't want another vote.

You say one or two million, I say you are wrong. Let's look again in October. The fallacy that if Brexit were stopped there would be mass riots is as nothing compared to the people's reaction to being manipulated into something that will massively damage their and their children's future.

Oh and say tata to the tartans, they are offski. BoJo will go down in history for many things, including breaking up the UK.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 28 Aug 19 12.30pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

I'm loving this watching all the remoaners squeal. Stamping their feet like spoilt brats.

 

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Deleted11 28 Aug 19 12.50pm

This just shows the ignorance pretty much everyone in this country/planet is displaying.
Everyone is in their little corner backing/fighting Brexit, like it's going to make such a massive difference. It won't. It will be a major struggle for a couple of years and that's it, until the forthcoming depression comes along, which no one will even notice until it happens.

My question would be this to the Brexiteers. If Bojo managed to get freedom of movement cancelled as his deal, would you all be happy with that?

We have politicians whose job is to be politicians. Just think about that. They have no skills apart from politics. The only thing they know is how to divide people by pitting them all against each other, whilst the super wealthy get what they want.

How many bankers were jailed from the calamity of 2008? How much tax has Facebook, Amazon, Starbucks paid? If the economy is recovering why are interest rates so low? why has the stock market dropped about 10% in 1 year?

I'm neither pro/against Brexit. What I'm for is issues being dealt with by politicians. I would be quite confident that if the Queen could dissolve Parliament, we would not notice the difference.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 28 Aug 19 1.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Jway89

This just shows the ignorance pretty much everyone in this country/planet is displaying.
Everyone is in their little corner backing/fighting Brexit, like it's going to make such a massive difference. It won't. It will be a major struggle for a couple of years and that's it, until the forthcoming depression comes along, which no one will even notice until it happens.

My question would be this to the Brexiteers. If Bojo managed to get freedom of movement cancelled as his deal, would you all be happy with that?

We have politicians whose job is to be politicians. Just think about that. They have no skills apart from politics. The only thing they know is how to divide people by pitting them all against each other, whilst the super wealthy get what they want.

How many bankers were jailed from the calamity of 2008? How much tax has Facebook, Amazon, Starbucks paid? If the economy is recovering why are interest rates so low? why has the stock market dropped about 10% in 1 year?

I'm neither pro/against Brexit. What I'm for is issues being dealt with by politicians. I would be quite confident that if the Queen could dissolve Parliament, we would not notice the difference.

Well you sound very reasonable.

If Merkel had given Cameron what he wanted back in 2015 during his 'renegotiation' I have little doubt that it wouldn't have come to this.

But that's what a lack of compromise gets you......when you play for high stakes and all that.

I'm currently listening to a very balanced and fair 'behind the scenes' retelling of the leave and remain 2016 campaigns on audio book.

It's called 'all out war' and I can recommend it to everyone.....it's fascinating to hear what was really going on.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Aug 2019 1.01pm)

 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 28 Aug 19 1.14pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

JWAY89 - good points!
Most of us have lost faith in Politicians now anyway - they have their uses but they are now limited in their ability to run the Country in my opinion.
Brexit needs to happen because that is what the vote says - if we had another one who knows?
I have friends who have changed their mind both ways but one thing that everyone agrees with - pretty much anyway - is that our politicians and the EU treat the rest of like idiots.
Boris may make some of them think again with this latest move!

 

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Deleted11 28 Aug 19 1.27pm

There's no way any politician would get 'a good deal', whatever that is.

I would argue that we have a pretty decent deal already as we didn't adopt the Euro, which is the only good thing Gordon Brown did.

We have a GDP (If that's even worth anything as a measure) of about £1.5T, which is about 9% of the EU, so pretty big, but just not big enough to change the fundamental tenets of the EU 'constitution'.

I think the USA is a perfect example of how this World works. Look how hard it is for Obama/Trump to get anything done, apart from TAX CUTS, which was voted pretty much unanimously in favour of.

Who do tax cuts help? Someone on $30k may save $200 a year, but if you make $30m, then you are in the money.

Again, I'm not really a lefty/righty. My point is while we all squabble about removers or brexiteers, the bought and paid for politicians will serve the interests of the super wealthy. The focus shouldn't be on Brexit. In my humble opinion, retainers should band with brexiteers and accept what has been voted for and come up with solutions for when we leave and really get to sorting out the current hierarchy of things that we have.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 28 Aug 19 1.28pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

700,000 British citizens living or working abroad were blocked from being able to. The vast majority would have voted and would have voted Remain.

Only people who had lived abroad for more than 15 years were not allowed to vote and one might argue why should anyone who had made their lives abroad have a voice in whether the country that they used to live in more than 15 years ago should stay in or leave the EU

Originally posted by Mapletree

Add to that the 2 million who couldn't vote then but are now old enough. A huge majority would have voted remain if they follow the pattern of their slightly older peers.

That smacks of desperation

Originally posted by Mapletree

Oh and say tata to the tartans, they are offski. BoJo will go down in history for many things, including breaking up the UK.

I wonder how that will work out once we have left the EU.

Scotland will leave the UK and join the EU thus necessitating a customs border between our two countries plus passport controls

Edited by Midlands Eagle (28 Aug 2019 1.28pm)

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 28 Aug 19 1.42pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Scotland will leave the UK and join the EU thus necessitating a customs border between our two countries plus passport controls

Edited by Midlands Eagle (28 Aug 2019 1.28pm)

If Scotland chose not to vote for independence when oil was $100 a barrel, why on earth would it vote for it now?

Why is being in the EU so great for them? Seriously? Their deficit is huge, their economy is overly reliant on UK government jobs and they have been told they will require their own currency.

And I genuinely am smiling at all the Remainer hysteria. This is how Parliament works.

But there will be a chance to stop it all. All Corbyn has to do is call for a vote of no-confidence. Has he stated he definitely will yet? (just got off the beach and eaten lunch so not got a scooby).

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 28 Aug 19 1.43pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

They are getting 'theirs'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Aug 2019 12.23pm)

Nah. Everyone is. No matter what side you're on, no-one voted for this gargantuan clusterf***.

And if they did, I hope they get royally screwed over for the forseeable. The amount of assumed personal immunity to outcome that is eminating from fanatics on both sides (especially leavers) is moronic in the extreme.

 


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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 28 Aug 19 1.52pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I'm loving this watching all the remoaners squeal. Stamping their feet like spoilt brats.

"Reichstag" is now trending on Twitter. Not even making it up!

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 19 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

This move by Johnson is a direct threat to the supremacy Parliament holds over the the Executive.

As such I see it stiffening the resolve of those determined to avoid a no deal exit, especially those Tories who might have been fence sitting hoping it was all just a negotiating tactic by the PM.

Parliament WILL have it's say and it WILL retain control. If for any reason that appears to be genuinely threatened then we have a full blown constitutional crisis in prospect, the like of which we won't have witnessed in our lifetimes. The importance of which transcends all Brexit considerations.

A successful vote of no confidence now looks inevitable to me with sufficient common ground among it's backers for them to coalesce around a compromise candidate other than Corbyn. One way or another we are all going to find out whether the public really want to leave without a deal, continue to try to find that deal first or stay in.

A right wing coup of our democracy, led by someone who is simply pursing his own ambitions, won't be allowed to succeed.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 28 Aug 19 1.55pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


A successful vote of no confidence now looks inevitable to me with sufficient common ground among it's backers for them to coalesce around a compromise candidate other than Corbyn. One way or another we are all going to find out whether the public really want to leave without a deal, continue to try to find that deal first or stay in.

I look forward to it. LOL. Had Corbyn announced it yet?

 


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