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Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.38pm
But Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in the 1930's went all over and didn't just end up next door in Poland or France and they weren't called migrants.
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From the UN website:
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Quote Ray in Houston at 24 Aug 2015 6.14pm
Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.38pm
But Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in the 1930's went all over and didn't just end up next door in Poland or France and they weren't called migrants.
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Quote elgrande at 24 Aug 2015 5.52pm
Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.38pm
Quote Jamesrichards8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.33pm
Well, these people, as true 'refugees' wouldn't be allowed to pick and choose which country they seek asylum in. They are in France, and other non-violent countries, yet seek asylum elsewhere. Refugees seek refuge in the first peaceful country they enter.
It is the manipulation of language that is interesting and our subservience to it.
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Quote Catfish at 24 Aug 2015 6.00pm
Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.38pm
Quote Jamesrichards8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.33pm
Well, these people, as true 'refugees' wouldn't be allowed to pick and choose which country they seek asylum in. They are in France, and other non-violent countries, yet seek asylum elsewhere. Refugees seek refuge in the first peaceful country they enter.
It is the manipulation of language that is interesting and our subservience to it. It is entirely possible that the media are manipulating language but the expressions used officially are based on statute and conventions. Some expressions are used wrongly by the media such as deportation - which has a very precise meaning in law. The expressions such as illegal immigrant have bad connotations because of the way they were used as euphemisms in the 60s. Illegal immigrant is actually a reasonable description of someone who has entered the UK without permission.
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Of the Migrants that claim asylum in Ireland, 92% are found not to be economic migrants and deported. I'm not sure how the rest of Europe adds up but I'd say figures like that make them say the word 'migrant.'
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Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 6.26pm
I meant just in the 1930's and before Poland was invaded. Many Jewish 'refugees' got out and the diaspora went worldwide. My point being of course that just because some chose to go further afield than the nearest safe haven did not stop them being refugees. Any Syrians fleeing IS and murderous persecution by their own government who end up here or in Germany or elsewhere are not 'migrants' however much the media or others with an agenda try to make it so.
Unless they have a family or previous connection to a particular country they should be taking the first safe haven. The use of WW2 as an excuse for moving towards richer northern European countries is patently ridiculous. Italy or Greece are in absolutely no danger of an fundamentalist Islamic takeover. The conceit that there is a binary choice between refugee and economic immigrant in many of these situations......is nonsense.
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I call them Cuckoos. Waits for indignant backlash.........
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What we should be doing is moving them all to the socialist republic of Scotland. I think we would probably see the rise of Scottish Ukip.
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Because they're just people moving from one country to another. Neither side of the political spectrum seem willing to drill down in to the where and why. That would be racial discrimination deciding who you don't want or opening the floodgates deciding who you do. Edited by johnfirewall (24 Aug 2015 6.58pm)
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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Aug 2015 6.51pm
What we should be doing is moving them all to the socialist republic of Scotland. I think we would probably see the rise of Scottish Ukip.
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Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 6.32pm
Quote Catfish at 24 Aug 2015 6.00pm
Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.38pm
Quote Jamesrichards8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.33pm
Well, these people, as true 'refugees' wouldn't be allowed to pick and choose which country they seek asylum in. They are in France, and other non-violent countries, yet seek asylum elsewhere. Refugees seek refuge in the first peaceful country they enter.
It is the manipulation of language that is interesting and our subservience to it. It is entirely possible that the media are manipulating language but the expressions used officially are based on statute and conventions. Some expressions are used wrongly by the media such as deportation - which has a very precise meaning in law. The expressions such as illegal immigrant have bad connotations because of the way they were used as euphemisms in the 60s. Illegal immigrant is actually a reasonable description of someone who has entered the UK without permission.
I agree. Anyone fleeing a war zone who fears persecution is a refugee.
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