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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 25 Aug 15 9.20am Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 4.56pm

It's obvious the Syrians that are fleeing are refugees not migrants yet they don't seem to be allowed that title by the media and we are following their lead by lumping them in with others who are heading to Europe but who are not being persecuted.

Someone somewhere is manipulating emotive language to suit certain agendas. Something is going on.

Remember reading an article last year about a Yale or maybe Harvard grad - can't remember his name annoyingly - in the US who heads up a team who work on a mission to confuse the media and world opinion to such an extent that no one is quite clear about what is really going on anymore.



Think you have put the question the wrong way round. The question we should be asking is why so many of economic migrants seem to be coming from Syria? I suppose simple answer is that since it has been bombed and shot to bits the economy has taken a downturn, and the openings in cleaning and construction are limited . I hear the brussel sprout picking industry in Aleppo is virtually non existent now forcing them to travel to Lincolnshire. Maybe re-skilling in the scimitar sharpening business would put an end to the migrants.

 


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Quote Ketteridge at 25 Aug 2015 9.20am

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 4.56pm

It's obvious the Syrians that are fleeing are refugees not migrants yet they don't seem to be allowed that title by the media and we are following their lead by lumping them in with others who are heading to Europe but who are not being persecuted.

Someone somewhere is manipulating emotive language to suit certain agendas. Something is going on.

Remember reading an article last year about a Yale or maybe Harvard grad - can't remember his name annoyingly - in the US who heads up a team who work on a mission to confuse the media and world opinion to such an extent that no one is quite clear about what is really going on anymore.



Think you have put the question the wrong way round. The question we should be asking is why so many of economic migrants seem to be coming from Syria? I suppose simple answer is that since it has been bombed and shot to bits the economy has taken a downturn, and the openings in cleaning and construction are limited . I hear the brussel sprout picking industry in Aleppo is virtually non existent now forcing them to travel to Lincolnshire. Maybe re-skilling in the scimitar sharpening business would put an end to the migrants.


An Irish flag and living in Brighton? Love the irony. Away you go. Those potatoes won't pick themselves.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 25 Aug 2015 9.50am

Quote Ketteridge at 25 Aug 2015 9.20am

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 4.56pm

It's obvious the Syrians that are fleeing are refugees not migrants yet they don't seem to be allowed that title by the media and we are following their lead by lumping them in with others who are heading to Europe but who are not being persecuted.

Someone somewhere is manipulating emotive language to suit certain agendas. Something is going on.

Remember reading an article last year about a Yale or maybe Harvard grad - can't remember his name annoyingly - in the US who heads up a team who work on a mission to confuse the media and world opinion to such an extent that no one is quite clear about what is really going on anymore.



Think you have put the question the wrong way round. The question we should be asking is why so many of economic migrants seem to be coming from Syria? I suppose simple answer is that since it has been bombed and shot to bits the economy has taken a downturn, and the openings in cleaning and construction are limited . I hear the brussel sprout picking industry in Aleppo is virtually non existent now forcing them to travel to Lincolnshire. Maybe re-skilling in the scimitar sharpening business would put an end to the migrants.


An Irish flag and living in Brighton? Love the irony. Away you go. Those potatoes won't pick themselves.

But I claim to be a refugee from the war torn streets of south london and did not move to Brighton simply for the subsidised fair trade organic potatoes.

 


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Quote legaleagle at 24 Aug 2015 11.29pm

Its also worth bearing in mind when talking about refugees from Syria,that there is very much a widespread "burden" rather than,as might be thought at times here,they're all heading to the EU or within the EU,the UK.

According the the UNHCR,2.2 million are registered by UNHCR in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon, and 1.8 million Syrians have been registered by the Government of Turkey.

Taking the latest European figures, in 2014 122,115 Syrians applied for aslyum in the EU,of which 2.410 were in the UK.

Edited by legaleagle (24 Aug 2015 11.31pm)

Don't let facts get in the way of good old scaremongering legal.

That's not the argument is it, that they're coming here to even things out. Unless of course they've been distributed by the authorities of other EU countries to even things out.

Let's not let geography get in the way either, Turkey is a bordering country. If as an island it's harder to get here, shouldn't we be sending planes over to collect them?

 

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Quite a straightforward factual article

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'They have to satisfy the authorities that they are fleeing persecution and would face harm or even death if sent back to their country of origin.'

Realistically how many does that apply to?

Did the term refugee apply to British children leaving during the war, or 'evacuees', or exiled groups throughout history who have ended up as 'travellers'?

Any more terms for displaced people you fancy overanalysing?

Edited by johnfirewall (25 Aug 2015 1.13pm)

 

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In terms of asylum or indeed any kind of migrant from Syria I wouldn't have a problem in principle with an increase in numbers for this particular situation..... with a caveat.

I'd want those coming in to be officially vetted or spoken for by organizations like the YPG or other anti IS organization.

The Kurds are, in my view, an example of Muslims who have the right attitude towards the modern world and view of the west......Anyone who fights IS and its ideals gets no problem from me.

I hope those in charge of allowing people into this country are actually on the ball with all this.

 


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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 25 Aug 15 7.25pm

Would be interesting to see what the result was if HMG offered to set up an office at Calais and accept asylum applications. The applications could be processed in the UK while the punters stay in France and receive the same allowances as they would have got in UK. They would have to agree to be fingerprinted (same as those in UK) and it would remain the discretion of the French whether they wanted to deal with them under their own laws.

I suspect that we would not be beaten down in the rush because it is not asylum they are after and they would not want to be formally identified before getting to the UK.

 


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Quote Catfish at 25 Aug 2015 7.25pm

Would be interesting to see what the result was if HMG offered to set up an office at Calais and accept asylum applications. The applications could be processed in the UK while the punters stay in France and receive the same allowances as they would have got in UK. They would have to agree to be fingerprinted (same as those in UK) and it would remain the discretion of the French whether they wanted to deal with them under their own laws.

I suspect that we would not be beaten down in the rush because it is not asylum they are after and they would not want to be formally identified before getting to the UK.


agree with this, Catfish.
good post.

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2015 6.47pm

In terms of asylum or indeed any kind of migrant from Syria I wouldn't have a problem in principle with an increase in numbers for this particular situation..... with a caveat.

I'd want those coming in to be officially vetted or spoken for by organizations like the YPG or other anti IS organization.

The Kurds are, in my view, an example of Muslims who have the right attitude towards the modern world and view of the west......Anyone who fights IS and its ideals gets no problem from me.

I hope those in charge of allowing people into this country are actually on the ball with all this.


I know they generally don't get a negative press but they are not averse to the odd suicide bomber and mediaeval type honour killing of young ladies nor shooting to death Turkish soldiers whom are patrolling in Turkey. If you found Republicanism and its by-products unpalatable in Northern Ireland during the 70's and 80's then there is no logical reason to feel any different toward the Kurds.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 25 Aug 2015 8.15pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2015 6.47pm

In terms of asylum or indeed any kind of migrant from Syria I wouldn't have a problem in principle with an increase in numbers for this particular situation..... with a caveat.

I'd want those coming in to be officially vetted or spoken for by organizations like the YPG or other anti IS organization.

The Kurds are, in my view, an example of Muslims who have the right attitude towards the modern world and view of the west......Anyone who fights IS and its ideals gets no problem from me.

I hope those in charge of allowing people into this country are actually on the ball with all this.


I know they generally don't get a negative press but they are not averse to the odd suicide bomber and mediaeval type honour killing of young ladies nor shooting to death Turkish soldiers whom are patrolling in Turkey. If you found Republicanism and its by-products unpalatable in Northern Ireland during the 70's and 80's then there is no logical reason to feel any different toward the Kurds.

They don't get a negative press for a reason.

Every group contains murderers.

Why would we let in those?

Your post is kind of pointless.


Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Aug 2015 8.39pm)

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2015 8.37pm

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Aug 2015 8.15pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2015 6.47pm

In terms of asylum or indeed any kind of migrant from Syria I wouldn't have a problem in principle with an increase in numbers for this particular situation..... with a caveat.

I'd want those coming in to be officially vetted or spoken for by organizations like the YPG or other anti IS organization.

The Kurds are, in my view, an example of Muslims who have the right attitude towards the modern world and view of the west......Anyone who fights IS and its ideals gets no problem from me.

I hope those in charge of allowing people into this country are actually on the ball with all this.


I know they generally don't get a negative press but they are not averse to the odd suicide bomber and mediaeval type honour killing of young ladies nor shooting to death Turkish soldiers whom are patrolling in Turkey. If you found Republicanism and its by-products unpalatable in Northern Ireland during the 70's and 80's then there is no logical reason to feel any different toward the Kurds.

They don't get a negative press for a reason.

Every group contains murderers.

Why would we let in those?

Your post is kind of pointless.


Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Aug 2015 8.39pm)


I think perhaps you have a romanticised view hence my post.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 25 Aug 2015 8.41pm

I think perhaps you have a romanticised view hence my post.


So....Are you saying the default culture of the Kurds isn't pro western?

That's what I said....It isn't romanticised....It's basically true.

I think you are just being contrary with no evidence to back up your ramblings.

 


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