Having digested the news and given it some thought. I think the problem a lot of people had was in the fact they didn't like Hilary Clinton. Saw her as a throwback to the Bill Clinton era and didn't want it. I wonder how much of Trumps campaign was bluster and grand standing. He for one probably never thought he would actually win. Watched His acceptance speech on tv this morning and two things struck me. His body language was completely different. Much calmer , subdued if anything and the tone of his speech was much different to the rallies of the past few weeks and months. I don't like the man and wouldn't have voted for him myself and I am shocked he has won. But I don't think he will he as bad as people think he will be. As another poster said upthread he probably won't be as good as the republicans hope either. could end up being a bit of a lame duck or toothless tiger. On paper he represents all that is wrong, the shouting sexist, racist, bloated greedy businessman stepping on people to get where he wants to be , whilst holding a gun and ye hawing. But I think Americans need to ask themselves some questions and take a long hard look at why after 8 years of democrats and Obama they have rejected all of that and gone so far the other way.

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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Where do I seem to have an agenda? It's a rational thought. A vote for Trump, in my view, is a vote for change, any change, driven by a mass public disenchantment with politics and perceived corruption at top-level Government, business and media. I think Americans (who voted for him) think Trump will come in, shake things up, and the anti-Clinton feeling can't be underestimated.

So, if Obama had united communities and rung some changes of his own, then surely people would want to keep his party in power no?

You're obviously very pro-Obama if you think he's especially cool.

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If you don't understand now that Presidential elections are all about personalities more so than politics then you never will. If Obama were able to run for a third term he would have walked it against Trump.

Even deeply Republican Kentucky will vote for a Democrat nominee if he is from the Deep South a la Carter and Clinton.

Hillary was simply the very wrong choice. The Gordon Brown of Democrat history.

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Let's try that again

You seem to have an agenda against Obama.

Obama doesn't make silly comments and has been immensely statesmanlike throughout his term.

It is bizarre how negatively the America populace views the Health Care Act. I suspect some of the hatred is whipped up by a media 'encouraged' by the big medical insurers. The US system is massively inefficient yet Obama did wrong, really?

And as for he should have made more change, how exactly when the Republicans lined up against him on every issue and held the balance of power?

I don't particularly care one way or another for any of the senior US political figures, so my opinion is quite balanced and my questions aren't loaded. I don't think Obama is in any way cool, nor do I dislike him. You're obviously an Obama fanboy hence you've got defensive when I've questioned him. I think it still stands though - if Obama had united a country, or at least seen the green shoots of something like that happening, there wouldn't be such an appetite for change from the American people. It's not the only factor at play I know.

Americans need to do some serious soul searching and ask questions of themselves as to what has gone so wrong with the Obama legacy that people have veered so far towards Trump. This isn't a handful of people we are talking about. Why has this happened

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

The lazy arguments all over social media that America has showed itself as racist. Not everyone who voted for trump is a racist, not every one would have voted for reasons of race. There are so many more factors at play and as I say the Clinton era probably has a lot to do with it.

I wouldn't bet against Michelle Obama being a democrat candidate one day

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

Ok, lets put your overt defensiveness to one side so we don't get bogged down in that. I haven't implied anywhere that there is no difference between Trump and Obama. In fact I haven't compared them at all. Anyone can see they're polar opposites. I merely pointed out that the result and feeling from the American people must put Obama's achievements into question, and I still stand by that as a factor in the result.

I do read and watch the media, in fact it's the bread and butter of my job, but I'm also savvy enough to know that not everything in the media is gospel and that they all have their own agendas too. Even our dear old BBC was churning out unsubstantiated BS relating to the US election this morning. Ironically, part of Trump's campaign was calling out the media for being crooked.

Tempted to take the afternoon off and watch the BBC, read the Guardian, listen to James O'Brien and cry. With laughter.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.