This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Teachers' pay
Visit the current forum | Forum Rules
 Romford-Eagle  Romford 06 Jul 17 1.24am |
|
|---|---|
|
What a lot of tosh spoken about teachers, 18 weeks holiday a year, not including their insect days. 9 till 3, Mon till Fri, my heart bleeds...
|
|
| Stirlingsays 06 Jul 17 1.31am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Romford-Eagle
What a lot of tosh spoken about teachers, 18 weeks holiday a year, not including their insect days. 9 till 3, Mon till Fri, my heart bleeds... That sir is an idiotic viewpoint. Do the job...not that you probably could seeing as you confuse 'inset days' with 'insect days'.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Jul 17 2.02am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That sir is an idiotic viewpoint. Do the job...not that you probably could seeing as you confuse 'inset days' with 'insect days'. Blimey Stirling must be working at night school at the local 'Poly'
Pro USA & Israel |
|
| Stirlingsays 06 Jul 17 2.17am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Jimenez
Blimey Stirling must be working at night school at the local 'Poly'
Far better off nowadays...Massive respect for those still slogging away but I did my bit and I'm better off out of it. Besides, the staff room was a majority hive (not all) of ideological progressism....Some of them really nice people but they saw the world through that particular 'red lens'. Out of about thirty in the staff-room there were only about three or four others who could be described as non lefties....You learnt that keeping quiet was sensible. Mind you I was there during the Brexit vote and the school did its own internal vote. We had the stats breakdown for the vote and the staff actually voted for leave (1 in 3) in higher numbers than the students. Support for the EU isn't always a left/right thing....That's kind of been drummed home now.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| matt_himself Matataland 06 Jul 17 5.13am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Johnny Eagles
Teachers and other public sector workers have seen quite a significant pay cut in real terms over the last few years. Given that Number Ten can find a billion quid down the back of the sofa for Norn Iron, I wonder if the unions shouldn't take collective action to try and get better conditions. Are there any HOL members who would support such a course of action? I believe that spending £1billion to keep an unhinged, communist sprendthrift out of government is actually a bargain. On the core of subject, believe that teachers should get paid according to results. When exam results improve for key subjects such as maths & science then pay should be improved.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
|
| samprior Hamburg 06 Jul 17 7.10am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Being a teacher should be a vocation. If you are doing it for money, you are probably in the wrong job. Hahaha you big hippy
|
|
| samprior Hamburg 06 Jul 17 7.15am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by matt_himself
I believe that spending £1billion to keep an unhinged, communist sprendthrift out of government is actually a bargain. On the core of subject, believe that teachers should get paid according to results. When exam results improve for key subjects such as maths & science then pay should be improved. Not a good idea in my opinion. I see your point but in real life it work out as better funded schools in better areas getting the best teachers. Then new teachers having to go into the toughest of schools where pupils are failing. That'd be a recipe for disaster in the long term. The aim needs to be giving a high quality education to the highest amount of pupils. A kid starting in reception should not have to suffer consequences of cohorts of pupils 10yrs ahead of them.
|
|
| matt_himself Matataland 06 Jul 17 7.30am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by samprior
Not a good idea in my opinion. I see your point but in real life it work out as better funded schools in better areas getting the best teachers. Then new teachers having to go into the toughest of schools where pupils are failing. That'd be a recipe for disaster in the long term. The aim needs to be giving a high quality education to the highest amount of pupils. A kid starting in reception should not have to suffer consequences of cohorts of pupils 10yrs ahead of them. If teachers were set a target of raising grades of their class, year on year, this would be a level playing field. Not judged on a national basis but on a local basis. This should incentivise people to stay at certain school and progress a multi year plan to improve grades at a particular school, regardless of its funding. I am sure there are other ways to create bonus plans for individual schools and teachers. The private sector, and parts of the public sector, do this already.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
|
| Midlands Eagle 06 Jul 17 7.37am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That sir is an idiotic viewpoint. Do the job...not that you probably could seeing as you confuse 'inset days' with 'insect days'. oops. Sense of humour bypass Insect days is what a lot of us non teachers call it
|
|
Johnny Eagles  berlin 06 Jul 17 7.37am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Is this Mr Eagles sticking up for teachers? What's happened?....you haven't gone all transsexual what you ma call it? No, I just saw the story in the Grauniad and felt like yanking Gusset's chain. For old times' sake. That said, I think if its public servants are seeing their pay decrease, you're entitled to wonder about the direction a country is heading in.
...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread... |
|
| Johnny Eagles berlin 06 Jul 17 7.40am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Romford-Eagle
What a lot of tosh spoken about teachers, 18 weeks holiday a year, not including their insect days. 9 till 3, Mon till Fri, my heart bleeds... Teaching is very stressful and a high proportion of teachers end up with depression or burn-out or similar, compared to other professions (at least this is true in Germany). If you knew and spoke to teachers you'd know the trope about six weeks holiday does not a cushy job make.
...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread... |
|
| Johnny Eagles berlin 06 Jul 17 7.43am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by matt_himself
I believe that spending £1billion to keep an unhinged, communist sprendthrift out of government is actually a bargain. On the core of subject, believe that teachers should get paid according to results. When exam results improve for key subjects such as maths & science then pay should be improved. While I agree in principle, the problem with exam results, as you can see by comparing an O-Level Maths paper toma GCSE one, is you can just make exams easier. I do believe that Teaching is massively in need of reform, it's run by dinosaurs who are scared of innovation.
...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread... |
|
| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 8.10am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Johnny Eagles
Teaching is very stressful and a high proportion of teachers end up with depression or burn-out or similar, compared to other professions (at least this is true in Germany). If you knew and spoke to teachers you'd know the trope about six weeks holiday does not a cushy job make. I echo these sentiments. I re-iterate that my wife is a retired secondary school teacher who spent 35 years in the classroom and my daughter is currently a secondary school teacher.I know the stresses and strains of the teaching profession !
|
|
 Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jul 17 8.20am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If it's a vocation then where are the people? The reality is that there are too many teaching jobs required for teaching to be a 'vocation'. Hrolf...teaching before it was turned into a business was a vocation....in the seventies perhaps....Mr Barrett my old English teacher would have been a good example.....Just taught us Wordsworth all day whilst sipping tea with his feet up on the desk. That's not today my old mucker.....Mr Barrett just wouldn't do the job today. Barrett was a bloody good teacher.....Politicians, over decades have completely fcuked up teaching. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2017 10.54pm) The decline of standards generally is a disgrace. The demands put on teachers from constantly changing exam and course requirements and the influx of foreign students is all negative and has seen basic education slide.
|
|
| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jul 17 8.22am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by samprior
Hahaha you big hippy That was me doing my best to be an idealist. Don't worry, it won't last.
|
|
| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 8.28am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The decline of standards generally is a disgrace. The demands put on teachers from constantly changing exam and course requirements and the influx of foreign students is all negative and has seen basic education slide. In my day, one got the cane and strap "Six of the best and all that".One also got the ruler over knuckles.I have seen errant boys being pulled out of the classroom by their ears. None of that now and in many cases, children have NO respect for teachers and can get away with "Blue murder". I have heard the sentiments that it is not so much teaching now but crowd control.Of course there are many exceptions but my goodness it can be tough.
|
|
| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 8.30am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Johnny Eagles
Teaching is very stressful and a high proportion of teachers end up with depression or burn-out or similar, compared to other professions (at least this is true in Germany). If you knew and spoke to teachers you'd know the trope about six weeks holiday does not a cushy job make. And teachers can only go on holiday when schools have broken up and during these periods the prices are highly inflated.No good holiday deals for teachers !
|
|
jeeagles  06 Jul 17 8.33am |
|
|---|---|
|
Does the 1% pay cap apply to people who are promoted?
|
|
| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jul 17 8.42am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Willo
In my day, one got the cane and strap "Six of the best and all that".One also got the ruler over knuckles.I have seen errant boys being pulled out of the classroom by their ears. None of that now and in many cases, children have NO respect for teachers and can get away with "Blue murder". I have heard the sentiments that it is not so much teaching now but crowd control.Of course there are many exceptions but my goodness it can be tough. I'm not in favour of physical punishment. I would not have stood for teachers hitting my children. However, there must be a system in place to deter students from unruly and disruptive behavior and parents should be more involved with that process. The trouble is that too many parents are total morons themselves.
|
|
| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 8.52am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm not in favour of physical punishment. I would not have stood for teachers hitting my children. However, there must be a system in place to deter students from unruly and disruptive behavior and parents should be more involved with that process. The trouble is that too many parents are total morons themselves. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Jul 2017 8.43am) Some parents are very supportive when their child is reported to them but some will adopt the view that it must be the school/teacher which is at fault as "My little Johnny is not like that ". I think in Spain and some far east countries (And probably many others), teachers are respected but alas in this country in the main they are not respected at all with the children knowing that any sanctions will not be punitive at all.
|
|
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2025 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.