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View Goldfiinger's Profile Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 30 Jan 18 7.25am Send a Private Message to Goldfiinger Add Goldfiinger as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Niasse>>>> Benteke big time

Seriously you'd rather Niasse than Benteke?

Not gonna singing Bentekes praises but I sure am pleased we didn't spend £10m on Niasse... dont see anything in him other than someone who is very eager to run around a lot.

Doesn't equal a premiership player... still can't get regular playing time im a Everton side void of a striker themselves...

Really pleased we still have his £10m kicking about to spend on an actual football player.

 

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Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Seriously you'd rather Niasse than Benteke?

Not gonna singing Bentekes praises but I sure am pleased we didn't spend £10m on Niasse... dont see anything in him other than someone who is very eager to run around a lot.

Doesn't equal a premiership player... still can't get regular playing time im a Everton side void of a striker themselves...

Really pleased we still have his £10m kicking about to spend on an actual football player.

Yep I would. Niasse showed at Selhurst what a good player he is and has scored goals this season. Let’s just forget he cost 30m and Just judge him on his performances. Yeah last season he got 17 but this season He’s been woeful. Yes his desire and effort can be questioned but the main thing is he just cannot score. He’s had the opportunities. I honestly think many people have just lowered their expectation of what we should expect from our striker and blinded by the price tag. The main focal point of our attack is toothless, without Wilf we’d be buried. Whoever we bring in, if anyone will almost certainly replace Benteke in the 11.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 30 Jan 18 8.41am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Seriously you'd rather Niasse than Benteke?

Really pleased we still have his £10m kicking about to spend on an actual football player.


My point exactly. It's not just about whether £10m and 40k+ a week (plus agents fee by the way) is a fair price for the player. It's about how that deal compromises our ability to do a bigger and better deal next time round.

How often do you tell yourself, your kids, whoever: 'If you don't see what you need in the shop then don't just but some old tat. Keep your money in your pocket. Next time you'll have saved a bit more and you can afford something better '.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Jan 18 9.12am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by pstrutt

Dougie hasn’t been here that long and he may have unearthed some gems - time will tell. Overall we have had to react to the circumstances of each season for example, we are often unattractive as a proposition due to relegation battles or we have to buy some to cover positions where we have lost players to injury. We are still reacting in part to the needs of this season and what player in their right mind would have discussed a pre-contract after seven games or even ten or twelve games this season? We’re fighting footballs economic forces too. We may have nowhere near the budgets that the stories suggest given the players we are linked with. So budget competition is possibly the better route. Do we have a clear indication of budget?

I'd agree with this if it wasn't for the fact we've lost 1 league game in months and with Roy, Zaha and 2 strikers walking around the club we'd have no concerns at all.

My guess is we'd be dipping into next summer's budget buying a striker but if we go down there won't be a prem transfer budget. The only way to address this issue is to sell someone in the summer. Someone like Benteke, Townsend or Dann.

 


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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 30 Jan 18 9.16am Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt


My point exactly. It's not just about whether £10m and 40k+ a week (plus agents fee by the way) is a fair price for the player. It's about how that deal compromises our ability to do a bigger and better deal next time round.

How often do you tell yourself, your kids, whoever: 'If you don't see what you need in the shop then don't just but some old tat. Keep your money in your pocket. Next time you'll have saved a bit more and you can afford something better '.

So we keep our money in our pocket and benteke gets injured? Risk having an awful lot less money in your pocket next season. Please don't tell me that from all the clubs in all thd leagues we can't find a decent back up forward. I agree that we should be looking at a young hungry player and to bd fair we've been linked with a few. Let's wait and see..

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Jan 18 9.19am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt


My point exactly. It's not just about whether £10m and 40k+ a week (plus agents fee by the way) is a fair price for the player. It's about how that deal compromises our ability to do a bigger and better deal next time round.

How often do you tell yourself, your kids, whoever: 'If you don't see what you need in the shop then don't just but some old tat. Keep your money in your pocket. Next time you'll have saved a bit more and you can afford something better '.

A few weeks ago Niasse came on v West Brom and scored within 2 minutes after some fans booed him coming on for Tosun. Benteke wouldn't score right now after being on the pitch for 2 weeks. He can assist with the odd flick on among numerous random flick ons but so talented he'd keep most competition out of the team he clearly isn't anymore.

We could save our money, you're right. That money might give us a bit more wriggle room for the rebuilding job in the championship.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Jan 18 9.20am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

So we keep our money in our pocket and benteke gets injured? Risk having an awful lot less money in your pocket next season. Please don't tell me that from all the clubs in all thd leagues we can't find a decent back up forward. I agree that we should be looking at a young hungry player and to bd fair we've been linked with a few. Let's wait and see..

I think his next reply may be about the sun not rising tomorrow.

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 30 Jan 18 11.09am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

When Benteke got injured in the Autumn we beat Chelsea, drew with West Ham and Everton and beat Stoke without him. We also lost to Newcastle and Spurs away, which we may well have lost with him anyway, but the points per game ratio was fine. Of course it would be a challenge if Benteke got injured again, but some of you make it sound like a death sentence if he does his hamstring. Not only is that nonsense, it’s the kind of nonsense that applies pressure to the club and makes panic buys more likely.

Get in an upgrade on Benteke by all means, buy him a fast little partner who will make the team better if you can, but don’t waste money on a bench warmer. We don’t have enough of it to do that.

One of the reasons clubs like Sunderland are such a mess is that they panic-bought average players too many times. You can only do that so often before you find that the bulk of your squad is made up of players without the quality to win games, with little or no resale value, and who will never leave because they’ll never get that good a contract again. The entire place gets log-jammed, you can’t get anyone in because you can’t get anyone out. We already have Mutch and Lee eating up circa 70k p/w. Add in Niasse, Ulloa or Barnes and we’ll be paying the cost of a Sturridge every week just to keep the bench occupied.

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 30 Jan 18 11.33am Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

When Benteke got injured in the Autumn we beat Chelsea, drew with West Ham and Everton and beat Stoke without him. We also lost to Newcastle and Spurs away, which we may well have lost with him anyway, but the points per game ratio was fine. Of course it would be a challenge if Benteke got injured again, but some of you make it sound like a death sentence if he does his hamstring. Not only is that nonsense, it’s the kind of nonsense that applies pressure to the club and makes panic buys more likely.

Get in an upgrade on Benteke by all means, buy him a fast little partner who will make the team better if you can, but don’t waste money on a bench warmer. We don’t have enough of it to do that.

One of the reasons clubs like Sunderland are such a mess is that they panic-bought average players too many times. You can only do that so often before you find that the bulk of your squad is made up of players without the quality to win games, with little or no resale value, and who will never leave because they’ll never get that good a contract again. The entire place gets log-jammed, you can’t get anyone in because you can’t get anyone out. We already have Mutch and Lee eating up circa 70k p/w. Add in Niasse, Ulloa or Barnes and we’ll be paying the cost of a Sturridge every week just to keep the bench occupied.

Depends what you call a bench warmer. An aged journeyman on a large wage, or an up and coming championship/promising foreigner who wouldn't cost much and smaller wages. ....

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 30 Jan 18 12.38pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

Depends what you call a bench warmer. An aged journeyman on a large wage, or an up and coming championship/promising foreigner who wouldn't cost much and smaller wages. ....


Ask yourself if a signing will be:

First choice in his position when everyone is fit.
Good enough to make the first choice team better than it is.
Something to excite the fans, players and media.
Someone other teams would like to have.

If the answer to all or most of these is 'no', then congratulations, you are a benchwarmer!

To use examples that we have (rightly or not) been linked with, Niasse, Barnes or Ulloa are obvious benchwarmers. Dembele isn't.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Jan 18 12.44pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

There are 3 big criteria scouts look out for. Does he/can he/will he:

Score goals?

Create goals?

Stop goals?

Does Benteke actually do much of the above? A bit.

Do some of those we've been linked with? Yes, a bit.

Do we need more than 1 striker? Undoubtedly yes.

Do other teams settle for 1 and don't ever get a 2nd because they can't find a definite better than the current striker and risk relegation and the manager walking out? Absolutely no.

 


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View Beanyboysmd's Profile Beanyboysmd Flag 30 Jan 18 1.01pm Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

What is our lack of success this window based on? The fact the media claimed we are interested in people? How would the media find out? Agents are the only ones leaking info to the press and 90 percent of the time its to generate interest.

You know when estate agents say 'you need to bid on this place because offers are coming in on this one thick and fast'? Thats what is happening with these 'bids' there are no bids, just a bunch of people pretending bid have been made so people actually put bids in.
Fact is we have no idea who we are interested in, I dont know, the media doesnt know and more importantly YOU DONT KNOW!!! We will sign somebody barring a blunder like the summer so stop freaking out and stop barking just because other dogs are...

 

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