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 A1969Eagle  Redhill 15 Jul 20 1.11pm |
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Done enough..... and going back wards lol
Originally posted by BlueJay
We're at a crossroads and could do with making a change, else it's stagnation territory. On the other hand though, for many, Roy has done enough to stay on. Lots of posts predicting he's on his way out but I can't see it myself.
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| A1969Eagle Redhill 15 Jul 20 1.19pm |
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Our players really show no interest playing for Roys negative football any more. its out of date...... in the premier league.
What right minded unless desperate new player what to play for Roy... I believe that why we fail in recruitment. hence move to retirement Roy. Maybe Bring in a duo that can work together..... there are always managers available...
can you imagine how hard it would be based on Roys survival football for a new manager was to come in end of next season, that whether we survive or get relegated. I suppose some are already thinking Warnock/Hollaway or Pulis are available lol
Originally posted by Den1923
I perfectly understand your feelings but as far the team is concerned, Royhas asked reinforcement many times and has not been supported by the board. The team squad in the main was not his, in that respect it is full of previous managers choices. I do believe wrongly or rightly that the balance of the current squad means he can only play a certain way and sadly some players Riedewald and Meyer for example have not been been given a fair chance for that reason. We need a good transfer window, hopefully smartly spent like Sheffield United Who spent 62mil very smartly strengthening their team when they were promoted plus some good loan players that has given them a very talented squad built on a modest budget by today’s standards. Right now is the wrong time to change with the season only weeks away. The other problem is what talented manager who is available would want the job with this current squad we have available and a board who want out and will not invest in team development.
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| southnorwoodhill 15 Jul 20 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by A1969Eagle
Our players really show no interest playing for Roys negative football any more. its out of date...... in the premier league.
What right minded unless desperate new player what to play for Roy... I believe that why we fail in recruitment. hence move to retirement Roy. Maybe Bring in a duo that can work together..... there are always managers available...
can you imagine how hard it would be based on Roys survival football for a new manager was to come in end of next season, that whether we survive or get relegated. I suppose some are already thinking Warnock/Hollaway or Pulis are available lol
Dream Team 
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| doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 15 Jul 20 2.13pm |
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Warnock seems to be achieving his objective and saving 'Brough and will probably be asked to stay and he'll get far more support from the board there than he would with us.
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Den1923  15 Jul 20 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by A1969Eagle
Our players really show no interest playing for Roys negative football any more. its out of date...... in the premier league.
What right minded unless desperate new player what to play for Roy... I believe that why we fail in recruitment. hence move to retirement Roy. Maybe Bring in a duo that can work together..... there are always managers available...
can you imagine how hard it would be based on Roys survival football for a new manager was to come in end of next season, that whether we survive or get relegated. I suppose some are already thinking Warnock/Hollaway or Pulis are available lol
We have strikers who can't score, we have players coming to the end of their careers or im some cases the end of their contract. This current squad is in the main leftovers from previous managers. Roy came in and saved a team that under FdB was almost certainly going to be relegated He has saved us from that fate for three years now with very little support in terms of squad strengthening.
Roy had a quality defender (AWB) sold from under his feet for 50mil and he got nothing to help replace him. The misfits Sakho & Benteke cost a fortune and have failed to deliver, Benteke contract was renewed by Parish and Freeman even though he was awful to say the least. Its Freeman as DoF to identify targets and get them, Roy just tells them the type of player needed and he has not been supported. The reason why decent players won't come here is not because of Roy, it is because Parish/Freeman don't even get active until the last 24 hours of any window and then all Parish wants is loan deals, sick notes(because they are cheap), or players to sign up for half of what they are already earning elsewhere. We in this situation because of neglect by a clueless board of American Directors who do not understand the game and want out, they did not even know at one time if we didn't perform we would get relegated from PL.
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| PatrickA London 15 Jul 20 2.24pm |
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Let’s get the facts right.
AWB was not ‘sold under his feet.’
Parish was interviewed on this subject and said he was reluctant to let AWB go but Hodgson and Freedman had persuaded him that it was too good a deal to turn down.
With regard to not being supported by the club Hodgson pronounced himself ‘delighted’ with the acquisitions of Cahill , McCarthy and Ayew at the beginning of the season and said he was very happy with the squad.
It’s fine if people want to defend Hodgson, but let’s not reinvent history.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 20 2.29pm |
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Starting to feel like if we don't make several signings that it won't matter if God himself manages us.
Red and Blue Army!
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| EddieMac 15 Jul 20 2.32pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Starting to feel like if we don't make several signings that it won't matter if God himself manages us.
100% true. If we mess up the next transfer window then relegation is a certainty.
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| EddieMac 15 Jul 20 2.34pm |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Let’s get the facts right.
AWB was not ‘sold under his feet.’
Parish was interviewed on this subject and said he was reluctant to let AWB go but Hodgson and Freedman had persuaded him that it was too good a deal to turn down.
With regard to not being supported by the club Hodgson pronounced himself ‘delighted’ with the acquisitions of Cahill , McCarthy and Ayew at the beginning of the season and said he was very happy with the squad.
It’s fine if people want to defend Hodgson, but let’s not reinvent history.
He is hardly going to say he has a poxy squad. Hodgson always defends his players in public
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| PatrickA London 15 Jul 20 2.44pm |
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I disagree about his unwillingness to voice concerns.
He said he was unhappy that signings were not made in January when there were rumblings that he would not sign a new contract .
It’s people’s prerogative if they want to defend Hodgson but are you saying he was unhappy with those 3 signings and was lying when he said he was happy with the squad at the beginning of the season?
Bizarre.
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| EddieMac 15 Jul 20 2.50pm |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
I disagree about his unwillingness to voice concerns.
He said he was unhappy that signings were not made in January when there were rumblings that he would not sign a new contract .
It’s people’s prerogative if they want to defend Hodgson but are you saying he was unhappy with those 3 signings and was lying when he said he was happy with the squad at the beginning of the season?
Bizarre.
You are picking up on the one time that Hodgson said he was happy with his squad and then using that as a stick to beat him with. Do you really believe he couldn’t see the flaws in his squad?
And why wouldn’t he be delighted with the signings of those 3 players? 2 of them have gone on to be our best players this season.
Edited by EddieMac (15 Jul 2020 2.52pm)
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| Den1923 15 Jul 20 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Let’s get the facts right.
AWB was not ‘sold under his feet.’
Parish was interviewed on this subject and said he was reluctant to let AWB go but Hodgson and Freedman had persuaded him that it was too good a deal to turn down.
With regard to not being supported by the club Hodgson pronounced himself ‘delighted’ with the acquisitions of Cahill , McCarthy and Ayew at the beginning of the season and said he was very happy with the squad.
It’s fine if people want to defend Hodgson, but let’s not reinvent history.
Come on do you really believe that SP did not want the cash, and if he did not then why did he not reinvest it in the team. Roy is hardly going to say negative comments about anybody in public. Cahill,, Ayew and McCarthy were good acquisitions but they are not the striker, defender and creative attacking midfielder, that is the least we currently need.
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| PatrickA London 15 Jul 20 3.07pm |
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Hodgson is not a long suffering martyr.
He’s a professional manager of 50 years experience.
He would not have signed another contract if he was that unhappy.
For me he continually sets the bar low which then seems to con some fans that he is some kind of miracle worker when we stay up.
At best he’s a mediocre manager playing one dimensional football that has been increasingly found out as the season has worn on.
Plenty will disagree with my view and they shouldn’t be too concerned as I suspect he will be here next season.
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| Brinscall Eagle Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 15 Jul 20 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Hodgson is not a long suffering martyr.
He’s a professional manager of 50 years experience.
He would not have signed another contract if he was that unhappy.
For me he continually sets the bar low which then seems to con some fans that he is some kind of miracle worker when we stay up.
At best he’s a mediocre manager playing one dimensional football that has been increasingly found out as the season has worn on.
Plenty will disagree with my view and they shouldn’t be too concerned as I suspect he will be here next season.
It is for sure at his age he knows how lucky is to have a job and he realises it will probably be his last. On that basis he is likely to approve of any signings given to him as this will be his last gig. It also probably does give him a more defensive approach in all respects.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Jul 20 4.31pm |
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I do find it amusing to see people lecturing on how to manage a football team from the comfort of their armchairs, in the genuine belief that they could do it better.
Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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| PatrickA London 15 Jul 20 5.08pm |
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From my standpoint I never suggested I could do better, but what is the point of forums if not to have discussions about the manager and players?
Should forums be restricted only to experienced football managers who may be ‘qualified’ to do better than Hodgson?
Perhaps we should only be allowed to support the team if we offer unconditional support to the manager even when unhappy with his defensive tactics, lack of goals and reluctance to try changes.
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Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 15 Jul 20 5.30pm |
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The way things have gone for us lately we are lucky to end this season without a relegation battle. We have the Yankee Doodles itching to get all their money out of the club and a shortfall in income due to Covid so I can't see where funds are coming from to rebuild the team. They didn't spend much, if indeed any, of the Wan Bissaka windfall last year so if Wilf goes I wonder how much of that fee would be reinvested? Roy surely can't start the new season without some fresh faces so he may use the club's reticence to spend as a get out rather than he team being on the back of 8 straight defeats by then. Not an ideal way to start a new season but we really don't look like a club that's planning for a future in the Premiership.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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| EddieMac 15 Jul 20 6.11pm |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
From my standpoint I never suggested I could do better, but what is the point of forums if not to have discussions about the manager and players?
Should forums be restricted only to experienced football managers who may be ‘qualified’ to do better than Hodgson?
Perhaps we should only be allowed to support the team if we offer unconditional support to the manager even when unhappy with his defensive tactics, lack of goals and reluctance to try changes.
Well said , It would be very boring if we all agreed.
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| doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 15 Jul 20 8.10pm |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
The way things have gone for us lately we are lucky to end this season without a relegation battle. We have the Yankee Doodles itching to get all their money out of the club and a shortfall in income due to Covid so I can't see where funds are coming from to rebuild the team. They didn't spend much, if indeed any, of the Wan Bissaka windfall last year so if Wilf goes I wonder how much of that fee would be reinvested? Roy surely can't start the new season without some fresh faces so he may use the club's reticence to spend as a get out rather than he team being on the back of 8 straight defeats by then. Not an ideal way to start a new season but we really don't look like a club that's planning for a future in the Premiership.
it indeed seems like that. The only faint silver lining is an upgraded academy that might just produce a 'team of the thirties' long after many of us will be gone beyond this life.
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| Brinscall Eagle Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 15 Jul 20 8.21pm |
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Roy did say today in the press conference that their aim for next season would be a top ten finish. They will have to do a lot of planning to reach that but there is clearly some ambition to improve our position. Let hope they do . COYP
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