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 the silurian  The garden of England.(not really) 17 Nov 21 3.52am |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Look back at when his Mclaren car was not the best he was awful how many times did he crash and not perform you even see it now the media etc hypes him as a proper racer yet when he is in the pack without the big car advantage he doesn't do anything. Not true look at many drivers who are rated and they do not have the best cars not every driver can but the top drivers will out perform the cars not make excuses like LH does. One of the big things was when Russel had a chance to step in for one race and he made Bottas look stupid yet Mercedes still kept him (I know this will change next season but dont expect Russel to go against LH the car will be built around LH) Rosberg beat him to the title that is not the odd race and what did he do threaten to quit. (after this Mercedes kiss his a** and put a guy in they know wouldn't compete) What a crock of s***e, easy to see where youre coming from!!!
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| Helmet46 Croydon 17 Nov 21 7.42am |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
This doesn't mean that every race will be an easy ride and some tracks they would struggle also when you have drivers making mistakes which LH did a fair bit it doesn't help. 7 is not massive with the car he has had look at Seb and how many he won with one team that was in the same position what has he done since then nothing. If LH went to lets say Williams and he went out got results then he would show what he is made of he wont ever do that. Take a look back at all the great drivers none of them was just handed great cars. Race wins meaningless its a marathon not a sprint in the old days wins really did matter because of the way the points worked. I will say it again I never claimed he didnt have talent he is just over rated. As a person as well he is a pr**k who puts on an act a lot of people have fallen for you look at the last year or so with what he has been coming out with sums up his type of attitude.
Edited by Helmet46 (17 Nov 2021 7.55am)
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| CrazyBadger Ware 17 Nov 21 9.00am |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Those cars at the back are slow this is why in every race they are lapped. (this one everyone upto 6th was) qualify times LH (1) - 1:07.934 That is a massive gap and you wonder how he managed to get to 5th when he is almost 1 sec faster per lap and this is not even including the drs etc. Look at the full race LH goes past Max and a few laps later he is ahead by almost 10sec. I am not saying he is not a top driver he is massively over rated. Bottas has shown him up at times and well being beaten by Rosberg that sums it up really. Still gotta Get past a pack of drivers not letting you by without crashing out. Very different to chasing down someone who your 1 sec quicker. - which I agree would be easy for anyone in that car could do It with that advantage. If Verstappen was in the Same boat (his car is quicker than them too), I have no doubt he would have done the same, but as he's not been dominant, would he have received the same criticism? Just think your being overly disrespectful to a man who has achieved more than anyone ever has in the sport.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Nov 21 5.58pm |
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Hamilton has nothing on this guy (except the odd World Championship). [Link]
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 grumpymort  US/Thailand/UK 18 Nov 21 3.54am |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
Edited by Helmet46 (17 Nov 2021 7.55am)
He went wheel to wheel with the likes of Senna in an awful car. Rosberg did not outperform him at all yes he scored more points and you are comparing a guy who had been retired for years was what 43 to some one who had been at the team since it first started in his prime years also look at the results not the points also Schu had a lot of mechanical issues. You really do need to learn your history look up about Mercedes Brawn has come out and been very clear about how Schu was the main reason the Mercedes team became what it did and that he played the long game for developing the car for the new regulations which LH walked into he did nothing. If LH went to the current Williams team and won a race as you state I would give him credit but it wont ever happen the same with all the talk about LH going on about wanting to go to Ferrari he could of many times but wont because they are not going to win him the Championship which is why he stayed its the easy option.
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| The Dolphin 18 Nov 21 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
He's a brilliant, talented and highly polished driver of F1 cars. No question. What grates on a lot of folk, me included I'm afraid, is that he has an unfortunate manner and attitude which makes him appear arrogant, insincere and, as a consequence, unpopular. I Hear hear!!
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| grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 18 Nov 21 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by Apollofuzz
If you are an F1 fan check out the documentary series "Drive to Survive" on Netflix
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| Crazy_Eagle South London 18 Nov 21 7.20pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
The drivers rivalry has def been made more than it is for entertainment. E.g. There was no problem between Sainz and Norris at McLaren (I know someone at McLaren) - but it's still a very enjoyable watch with good BTS - and has brought in a whole load of fans.
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| Spiderman Horsham 18 Nov 21 7.20pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
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| Helmet46 Croydon 18 Nov 21 7.51pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
He went wheel to wheel with the likes of Senna in an awful car. Rosberg did not outperform him at all yes he scored more points and you are comparing a guy who had been retired for years was what 43 to some one who had been at the team since it first started in his prime years also look at the results not the points also Schu had a lot of mechanical issues. You really do need to learn your history look up about Mercedes Brawn has come out and been very clear about how Schu was the main reason the Mercedes team became what it did and that he played the long game for developing the car for the new regulations which LH walked into he did nothing. If LH went to the current Williams team and won a race as you state I would give him credit but it wont ever happen the same with all the talk about LH going on about wanting to go to Ferrari he could of many times but wont because they are not going to win him the Championship which is why he stayed its the easy option. Lol you wouldn’t give him credit as you seem so blinded by your dislike of him. You make too many excuses and keep changing the narrative. If NR scored more points, more podiums, more fastest laps and out qualified him - he probably outperformed him. But I accept the age and retirement thing and also that he had a few more DNF’s. But outperform him he did - across 3 seasons. I wouldn’t go to a team that wouldn’t win me the title either - it’s kind of the point of it!!! But if I was a team manager I wouldn’t hire a driver that didn’t stand a chance of winning it either as, guess what, that’s the point as well. Would you go and work for an uncompetitive company just so some random bloke on the internet can then say ‘you’re not over-rated’ when all the top companies have been happy to employ you because you’re probably the best? He’s won 7 titles - that’s his legacy. Edited by Helmet46 (19 Nov 2021 6.51am)
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| MrRobbo Chaldon 19 Nov 21 12.09pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
I would bother, its a good watch.
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| grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 19 Nov 21 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
Lol you wouldn’t give him credit as you seem so blinded by your dislike of him. You make too many excuses and keep changing the narrative. If NR scored more points, more podiums, more fastest laps and out qualified him - he probably outperformed him. But I accept the age and retirement thing and also that he had a few more DNF’s. But outperform him he did - across 3 seasons. I wouldn’t go to a team that wouldn’t win me the title either - it’s kind of the point of it!!! But if I was a team manager I wouldn’t hire a driver that didn’t stand a chance of winning it either as, guess what, that’s the point as well. Would you go and work for an uncompetitive company just so some random bloke on the internet can then say ‘you’re not over-rated’ when all the top companies have been happy to employ you because you’re probably the best? He’s won 7 titles - that’s his legacy. Edited by Helmet46 (19 Nov 2021 6.51am)
Rosberg the car was built for him he was there to when it was built also he was in his prime at the time. You then have a driver who was not in his prime had been retired for years the cars was nothing like the ones when he drove. He came into the team to develop the team and the car for the later regulation changes so it was a plan for multi years also they wanted at the time for marketing all German line up. Regarding points etc yes Rosberg scored more points which isnt hard when your team mate keeps DNF due to mechanical issues but look at the big picture in an awful car who managed to drag out the best results this shows true drivers not all about the car. LH yes the first season you could understand him not being up to par with Rosberg but that was not the season he lost to him the drivers title. No point even commenting on the rest as already said you have no clue what you are talking about regarding the sport and how it works also drivers mentalities
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| Helmet46 Croydon 19 Nov 21 6.52pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Rosberg the car was built for him he was there to when it was built also he was in his prime at the time. You then have a driver who was not in his prime had been retired for years the cars was nothing like the ones when he drove. He came into the team to develop the team and the car for the later regulation changes so it was a plan for multi years also they wanted at the time for marketing all German line up. Regarding points etc yes Rosberg scored more points which isnt hard when your team mate keeps DNF due to mechanical issues but look at the big picture in an awful car who managed to drag out the best results this shows true drivers not all about the car. LH yes the first season you could understand him not being up to par with Rosberg but that was not the season he lost to him the drivers title. No point even commenting on the rest as already said you have no clue what you are talking about regarding the sport and how it works also drivers mentalities
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| Helmet46 Croydon 19 Nov 21 6.57pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Drivers will always split opinion on character and talent. Hunt, was for example, from a wealthy family and privately educated. He wasn't an overtly talented driver, but could argue he won the Drivers Championship against his more-talented team-mate. (you know, that season his team-mate nearly burned to death in his car, and Hunt still only beat him by a point) And Mansell, a real trier. Pushed his car over the finishing line in sweltering heat (Dallas GP ?) went up against Prost, Senna, Piquet and eventually won the Drivers Championship. My God, he could fcking winge when he didn't win a race. Senna. intimidating. Dangerous, said Alain Prost, because he didn't think he would die. Blatantly took people off the track, which was unnecessary given his extraordinary talent. not too unlike Michael Schumacher in that respect. How the fck did Alan Jones with the World Drivers championship ? I dislike Hamilton because he tries to play politics. Obviously he has immense talent.
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