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 Omph  Liverpool 27 May 22 9.40am |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
Our order of priorities is (for me) 1. Midfield. We likely lose Luka, Macca is getting on, Gallagher is going back, Kouyate may leave. So I guess that means Tarkowski and Pope from my list above. Maybe Brownhill but he's a player I've literally never noticed (based purely on preceding post) Edited by Ginger Pubic Wig (27 May 2022 6.55am) Thing about Tark is as a free agent I suspect he'd break our wage structure as I imagine there'll be an auction situation with loads of clubs in for him. He's good but I imagine we'll find better value in a younger model to play reserve Cb and fill out in the three when we play that system.
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| doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 27 May 22 10.06am |
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Originally posted by Omph
Thing about Tark is as a free agent I suspect he'd break our wage structure as I imagine there'll be an auction situation with loads of clubs in for him. He's good but I imagine we'll find better value in a younger model to play reserve Cb and fill out in the three when we play that system.
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| Booted Eagle Bristol 27 May 22 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by pssguy
Picking up Andersen from Fulham was a pretty shrewd move and there should be some possibilities this off-season as well Nick Pope. For me, Guaita was not quite so effective this season and Butland is no more than a backup. Pope, would probably be an upgrade, and will definitely want to leave to keep his England opportunities alive, However, he is 30 and probably there will be other sides keener than us Maxwell Cornet. managed to score 9 goals for Burnley as a 25 year-old (next best player notched 3) in his first season in the Premier League. Could probably switch between the left side and central like Zaha. If there is a reasonable release fee he should be considered, particularly in the unlikely event that they can shift Benteke Dwight McNeil. He came into the league as a very creative player but his stock has fallen and there was a time this year when the fans turned on him. However, he is virtually the same age as Gallagher and coming into this past season would probably have been higher rated. He seems an ideal replacement as a right sided midfielder and is currently on a very low salary Been linked to Johnstone at WBA which I feel might be more reasonable as Pope will have a lot more suitors. Cornet would be a good addition but will also have a lot of interest. Perhaps we can off load Benteke to them in a deal, although I think with Weghorst already there, after Woods departure, may not be a fit for them. Perhaps Watford or even Norwich might like Tekkers ?
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| Omph Liverpool 28 May 22 11.15am |
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Originally posted by Booted Eagle
Been linked to Johnstone at WBA which I feel might be more reasonable as Pope will have a lot more suitors. Cornet would be a good addition but will also have a lot of interest. Perhaps we can off load Benteke to them in a deal, although I think with Weghorst already there, after Woods departure, may not be a fit for them. Perhaps Watford or even Norwich might like Tekkers ? Tekkers agent is on record as saying he has no intention of leaving. This is the link Yes he will be an expensive 3rd striker and yes it would be nice to get his wages off the bill but two points: 1. It may make sense to have Plange out on loan getting minutes and not benched or in the U23 squad. Quicker development that way. 2. Tekkers does offer an option - still. His strike rate last season was similar to Mateta and Edouard - that he got the fewest minutes limited his output. Edited by Omph (28 May 2022 11.27am)
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| Omph Liverpool 01 Jun 22 9.19am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Click bait says we are after Watford striker Dennis. I would be happy with him of although I doubt it will happen as Watford will want too much money rather like Sarr. Not convinced he offers more than Mateta and Edouard. Wouldn't complain if he came cheap - which as you say he won't - but not seeing a major upgrade. The 10 goals looks good but proportionately it's in the same ballpark as our two boys managed. Would we offer him more opportunities to score? Maybe. But in truth Watford had enough goals in them last time - it was their defence that stank the place out.
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| MrRobbo Chaldon 01 Jun 22 10.07am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Click bait says we are after Watford striker Dennis. I would be happy with him of although I doubt it will happen as Watford will want too much money rather like Sarr. I think he'd fit in our front line really well, dynamic and direct. Only signed for a couple of mill, but agree that Watford would command a kings ransom. I guess it depends on whether he had a relegation clause. You'd expect most players moving somewhere like that to insist on one.
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| Putitout Oxford 01 Jun 22 11.27am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Click bait says we are after Watford striker Dennis. I would be happy with him of although I doubt it will happen as Watford will want too much money rather like Sarr. Purely from an ability to score goals, he would interest. But Viera, demands defending from the front, and Dennis, really didn’t do that to well for Watford.
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| Omph Liverpool 01 Jun 22 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Purely from an ability to score goals, he would interest. But Viera, demands defending from the front, and Dennis, really didn’t do that to well for Watford. His pressing numbers actually stack up pretty well - was the first thing I checked. In fact it's just about the one stat he beats Mateta on - he was no more lethal in front of goal. In terms of XG - if you take that as any measure - they were essentially equal and the one most notable difference I can see was that Mateta was more likely to hit the target but even there there's little in it.
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| Putitout Oxford 01 Jun 22 3.15pm |
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Originally posted by Omph
His pressing numbers actually stack up pretty well - was the first thing I checked. In fact it's just about the one stat he beats Mateta on - he was no more lethal in front of goal. In terms of XG - if you take that as any measure - they were essentially equal and the one most notable difference I can see was that Mateta was more likely to hit the target but even there there's little in it. Was his pressing effective? In the Watford games I saw his pressing was not .in fact in one or two he was a liability, and was dragged off. That’s not to say he didn’t work ,but not effectively.
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| Midlands Eagle 01 Jun 22 6.00pm |
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Originally posted by JohnB
Tarkowski on a free for CB competition, What makes you think that Tarkowski would consider coming to us to warm the bench when he won't be short of offers from Premier League clubs to actually play
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| Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 02 Jun 22 11.46am |
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Originally posted by JohnB
I'd be very hesitant about Dennis, especially if the reported numbers of £20m are to be believed. He played for Brugge when they basically won the league every year with a huge goal difference and was a 1 in 4 player. He had one hot streak at Watford where he scored 5 in 6 but then only scored 2 goals after the turn of the year. It's easy to get blinded by his hot streak and his decent return of 10 goals last season. However, 2 goals in his last 20 games for Watford and not being able to score more than 1 in 4 for a team that was dominating a lower level league would suggest his hot streak was an exception and he's not worth the money. Not one for me. Tarkowski on a free for CB competition, Cornet, Aarons and Normann are the only players I'd really be interested from the relegated teams. I did like the look of him and could see him as a Gallagher replacement. Similar approach to the game and mindset. Bit older and critically, not a scorer.
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| palace99 New Mills 06 Jun 22 10.55am |
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Originally posted by pssguy
Picking up Andersen from Fulham was a pretty shrewd move and there should be some possibilities this off-season as well Nick Pope. For me, Guaita was not quite so effective this season and Butland is no more than a backup. Pope, would probably be an upgrade, and will definitely want to leave to keep his England opportunities alive, However, he is 30 and probably there will be other sides keener than us Maxwell Cornet. managed to score 9 goals for Burnley as a 25 year-old (next best player notched 3) in his first season in the Premier League. Could probably switch between the left side and central like Zaha. If there is a reasonable release fee he should be considered, particularly in the unlikely event that they can shift Benteke Dwight McNeil. He came into the league as a very creative player but his stock has fallen and there was a time this year when the fans turned on him. However, he is virtually the same age as Gallagher and coming into this past season would probably have been higher rated. He seems an ideal replacement as a right sided midfielder and is currently on a very low salary Pope is a non starter. Highly valued (c£40m) and not sure if he is that much better than what we have. Comet is interesting. Did ok in his 1st season and supposedly has a £17m relegation release clause. Teams like Newcastle will be interested. Spurs are also sniffing around. McNeil has had a very poor season. He is left footed though and usually plays on the left. Not sure he will be of interest to PV. Tarkowski is out of contract and is 29. Supposedly Newcastle and West Ham have offered him over £100k a week. Only issue is the length of contract
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| JohnB 06 Jun 22 2.32pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
What makes you think that Tarkowski would consider coming to us to warm the bench when he won't be short of offers from Premier League clubs to actually play Who are the other clubs that you think would come in for him that would have less competition for starting spots, other than the 3 promoted clubs that are likely to be in a relegation fight? I'd also hope that any player would have the mentality that they have the ability to displace the current players at the club, rather than have a guarantee they would start. I think we offer the least competition for regular playing time for a club in that 8th-17th area of the league, with only Anderson & Guehi as first choice and then an ageing and injury prone Tomkins as back up. I'm not suggesting the club are in for him, however, I think both the player and club could do a lot worse and it would make sense to bring in a player of his experience and ability on a free for a couple of years whilst we focus on the more immediate requirements of the squad.
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| doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 06 Jun 22 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by JohnB
Who are the other clubs that you think would come in for him that would have less competition for starting spots, other than the 3 promoted clubs that are likely to be in a relegation fight? I'd also hope that any player would have the mentality that they have the ability to displace the current players at the club, rather than have a guarantee they would start. I think we offer the least competition for regular playing time for a club in that 8th-17th area of the league, with only Anderson & Guehi as first choice and then an ageing and injury prone Tomkins as back up. I'm not suggesting the club are in for him, however, I think both the player and club could do a lot worse and it would make sense to bring in a player of his experience and ability on a free for a couple of years whilst we focus on the more immediate requirements of the squad.
As for our back up for Andersen and Guehi, we don't yet know what will happen with Kouyate but he is a CB cover option if he stays. Also, I can see Ward being asked to focus more on the CB cover role, especially if Clyne stays and makes the RB position his own. As for Ferguson - who knows?!! Finally, it will be interesting to see if Jake O'Brien gets a decent run out in pre-season, with a view to being CB cover or whether he'll get another loan out. The young Irish lad had a good spell at Swindon.
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| Spiderman Horsham 06 Jun 22 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by doombear
As for our back up for Andersen and Guehi, we don't yet know what will happen with Kouyate but he is a CB cover option if he stays. Also, I can see Ward being asked to focus more on the CB cover role, especially if Clyne stays and makes the RB position his own. As for Ferguson - who knows?!! Finally, it will be interesting to see if Jake O'Brien gets a decent run out in pre-season, with a view to being CB cover or whether he'll get another loan out. The young Irish lad had a good spell at Swindon. Tarkowski would be a starter at both Everton and Newcastle, thus will be one last pay day for him so my money would be on Newcastle.
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| JohnB 06 Jun 22 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by doombear
As for our back up for Andersen and Guehi, we don't yet know what will happen with Kouyate but he is a CB cover option if he stays. Also, I can see Ward being asked to focus more on the CB cover role, especially if Clyne stays and makes the RB position his own. As for Ferguson - who knows?!! Finally, it will be interesting to see if Jake O'Brien gets a decent run out in pre-season, with a view to being CB cover or whether he'll get another loan out. The young Irish lad had a good spell at Swindon. This is all very much a moot point as I don't think we'd be in for him and it was only ever really my opinion on who I'd go for from relegated teams. However, Everton have Keane, Mina, Holgate, Godfrey and Branthwaite. Newcastle are being heavily linked with the likes of Botman & Ake etc. as well as having Burns, Schaar, Clark, Fernandez, Lascelles already at the club. Many of these won't be there come the start of the season, but it's still more competition than what we have. I think if anything, we are more likely to see CB cover come from something like Colwill on loan but I was merely saying that I could see him on a free being a good fit/option for us. Solid experienced player offering genuine competition on a free and him joining an established, progressive club with a realistic chance of challenging for a starting spot.
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| palace99 New Mills 06 Jun 22 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by JohnB
Who are the other clubs that you think would come in for him that would have less competition for starting spots, other than the 3 promoted clubs that are likely to be in a relegation fight? I'd also hope that any player would have the mentality that they have the ability to displace the current players at the club, rather than have a guarantee they would start. I think we offer the least competition for regular playing time for a club in that 8th-17th area of the league, with only Anderson & Guehi as first choice and then an ageing and injury prone Tomkins as back up. I'm not suggesting the club are in for him, however, I think both the player and club could do a lot worse and it would make sense to bring in a player of his experience and ability on a free for a couple of years whilst we focus on the more immediate requirements of the squad. He's not a free though, just because no transfer fee is required. He will get a massive signing on fee and then over £100k a week for maybe the next 4 seasons. When Defoe moved to Bournemouth a few years back on a free he received a £4m signing on fee. A good player but not one for us - too old, expensive and CB is a position we need further depth but not a new starter.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jun 22 5.58pm |
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I've always thought if Zaha goes, Cornet wouldn't be a bad replacement.
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