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Mr Bates vs The Post Office
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 HKOwen  Hong Kong 07 Jan 24 10.53pm |
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Sir Ed Davey what a complete cnut
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Eaglehamster  Storrington 07 Jan 24 11.03pm |
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If you feel strongly about this write to your MP. You can do it online.
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| Spiderman Horsham 08 Jan 24 8.06am |
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Originally posted by martin2412
I watched all of this programme, and some subsequent interviews with Alan Bates and some of the postmasters affected, and it appears to be a very accurate reflection of what happened, and without inaccuracies. It's an absolute scandal the way the post office treated these people, and as far as I'm concerned senior management need to go to prison for what they have done. They not only caused and covered up what happened, but were judge, jury and executioner in the way they accused the postmasters and wrongly demanded money with menaces from them. Let’s not forget Fujitsu as well!
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| Spiderman Horsham 08 Jan 24 8.11am |
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Originally posted by cardiff eagle
Had an ex colleague who had to drop out of university and work multiple jobs to help his family after they fell victim to this. It’s an absolute disgrace. Should also be some learning in there for us as we look towards AI for the future- systems are not infallible so we need to take proper care. Edited by cardiff eagle (06 Jan 2024 7.59am) Awful. I said whilst watching it, the psychological damage done is probably irreparable and their kids have also suffered. No amount of compensation will make amends but those responsible should face charges.
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| silvertop Portishead 08 Jan 24 12.23pm |
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The power of TV. Radio 4 have beaten this drum for years but with little impact.
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| silvertop Portishead 08 Jan 24 12.33pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Awful. I said whilst watching it, the psychological damage done is probably irreparable and their kids have also suffered. No amount of compensation will make amends but those responsible should face charges. Which is precisely why there needs to be legislation to effect a blanket pardoning. There are constitutional issues of the executive usurping the judiciary and the chance that there may actually be those who defrauded the system (of the sort of number you can count on one hand) but this has to be in the public good. A process can then be set up to streamline effective compensation for the victims and their families. As an aside, I can bet that the costs are so high because the Post Office tactically blocked, obfuscated and otherwise hindered every step the claimants made in order to run down their limited resources and force them to bale out through lack of funds. And while you are lawyer bashing, please note that a significant % of the legal work for the sub post masters over the decades was carried out pro bono.
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| silvertop Portishead 08 Jan 24 12.34pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Let’s not forget Fujitsu as well! I believe they renewed their contract last year.
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| Mapletree Croydon 08 Jan 24 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Which is precisely why there needs to be legislation to effect a blanket pardoning. There are constitutional issues of the executive usurping the judiciary and the chance that there may actually be those who defrauded the system (of the sort of number you can count on one hand) but this has to be in the public good. A process can then be set up to streamline effective compensation for the victims and their families. As an aside, I can bet that the costs are so high because the Post Office tactically blocked, obfuscated and otherwise hindered every step the claimants made in order to run down their limited resources and force them to bale out through lack of funds. And while you are lawyer bashing, please note that a significant % of the legal work for the sub post masters over the decades was carried out pro bono. It appears a small percentage were in fact guilty, looking at recent appeals. Shall we exonerate those as well?
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| silvertop Portishead 08 Jan 24 4.11pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It appears a small percentage were in fact guilty, looking at recent appeals. Shall we exonerate those as well? If the proof is beyond reasonable doubt then no. That proof has to be one that stands up to the scrutiny of the criminal standard, thus probably ruling out anything produced by Fujitsu.
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| silvertop Portishead 08 Jan 24 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Sir Ed Davey what a complete cnut The coalition were in power for 5 years and Ed was in charge of postal affairs for 2 (??) of them. I imagine your attack is equally (and obviously) directed to Labour who commissioned Fujitsu; but, do you also attribute culpability to those Tory ministers with the relevant portfolio for the last 9 years, or are they wholly blameless? Hint: the level of knowledge of the scandal has greatly increased during the last 8/9 years. Perhaps you are saying ED is a "complete cnut" in a general sense, and your post just happens to be on this thread?
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| Mapletree Croydon 08 Jan 24 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
If the proof is beyond reasonable doubt then no. That proof has to be one that stands up to the scrutiny of the criminal standard, thus probably ruling out anything produced by Fujitsu. Then you cannot blanket pardon can you?
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| Mapletree Croydon 08 Jan 24 5.56pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
The coalition were in power for 5 years and Ed was in charge of postal affairs for 2 (??) of them. I imagine your attack is equally (and obviously) directed to Labour who commissioned Fujitsu; but, do you also attribute culpability to those Tory ministers with the relevant portfolio for the last 9 years, or are they wholly blameless? Hint: the level of knowledge of the scandal has greatly increased during the last 8/9 years. Perhaps you are saying ED is a "complete cnut" in a general sense, and your post just happens to be on this thread? This. With bells on. It’s like the Government has been waiting until many of them have died to save on cost. See also blood transfusion scandal
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