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Originally posted by silvertop
You can say that no-one is beneath the law and will get widespread support. You can also say that a president (or ex) has to act to a higher standard and will be brought to account if he falls beneath that and I suspect most won't argue with that either. However, since when has it been a factor that running for office is a consideration that any prosecuting authority can factor in when deciding whether or not to prosecute? I would argue that targeting one man for clearly political reasons is an affront to the stable democratic framework of executive, administration and judiciary. In this case, the executive is seeking to direct the actions of the judiciary. I I am aware that the US judiciary is politicized at senior appellate level, but it is supposed to be blind to political bias at the coal face. For instance, the New York Stormy Daniels prosecution. The D.A is a stated Democrat and, to all appearances, is directing that prosecution in order to further his political career. How is that well-functioning democracy made manifest? I hope another poster on this thread who characterized the various courts he is going to have to attend as "kangaroo" is wrong. I hope we are not in the world of Kafka. If the allegations fall beneath the necessarily high threshold required for criminal matters, they must and hopefully will be thrown out. I can't stand Trump and everything he represents. However, directing public funds to hound him out of the running is beyond the pale for me. I think you are wrong to suggest the reason the indictments are being pressed is because he is running for office. I think they are being pressed to demonstrate that just because someone is running for office doesn't provide them a convenient shelter from the law. Politics would have interfered should he not have been indicted. I think the Democrats probably resent the indictments rather than support them, for it gives Trump a lot of publicity and the kind of "witch hunt" claims he thrives on, whilst obscuring what he has actually done.
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Originally posted by Badger11
From previous quotes WE doesn't appear to accept that in the US the DA is a highly political position used as a springboard for getting elected to Mayor / Senator / Governor. The DA is not like our CPS and if it suits him will indict a ham sandwich. Many judges are also highly political which then leaves you with a jury which if it is in a district that votes for the "other guy" is not likely to be unbiased. And then if the person in trouble is "one of their own" the DA will try do a sweetheart deal to sweep it under the carpet. There is an awful lot wrong with the US justice system. That DAs are elected in NY is understood as is that the current one is a Democrat. They still though need to follow the law and have their allegations judged. This case is of Trump's business and not his politics. NY has long sought to bring the Trump business to book. This case has been years in the making. So why now? He can no longer claim he is immune because he is President. He might be immune again. So now is the time. I think they would have prosecuted Trump whatever the politics he claimed to hold. So yes, they are out to get Trump, but not because of his politics. It's much more to do with his ethics.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That DAs are elected in NY is understood as is that the current one is a Democrat. They still though need to follow the law and have their allegations judged. This case is of Trump's business and not his politics. NY has long sought to bring the Trump business to book. This case has been years in the making. So why now? He can no longer claim he is immune because he is President. He might be immune again. So now is the time. I think they would have prosecuted Trump whatever the politics he claimed to hold. So yes, they are out to get Trump, but not because of his politics. It's much more to do with his ethics. Wisbech & co...................deviating from the topic of the OP as always. boring
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
If the UK Government have Hamas down as a terrorist organisation then that is what they are ‘officially’. When the BBC tries not to offend small sections of the community they end up offending the majority. The BBC is not the mouthpiece of the government. They will report what the government says but not say it themselves.
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Originally posted by Eaglehamster
This one occasion where the BBC have it wrong, for me. For far too long we have been treading on egg shells not to "offend" muslims. I loath the way their religion is interpreted. It's archaic and abusive to women. We simply have to face up to the fact that many of them are our enemy. Those who aren't never seem to stand up to the militants. The problem won't go away by appeasing them. It has nothing to do with not wishing to upset Muslims. Exactly the same approach is taken with every group or religion. They report facts. They leave us to reach opinions.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The BBC is not the mouthpiece of the government. They will report what the government says but not say it themselves. Strange. I’m pretty sure that during the statues malarkey those wishing to gather around statues to protect them were labelled right wing extremists by the media outlets. Doesn’t seem very impartial unless they asked everybody around the statues whether they were right wing extremists and the majority answered ‘yes’.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It has nothing to do with not wishing to upset Muslims. Exactly the same approach is taken with every group or religion. They report facts. They leave us to reach opinions. Of course it is. The BBC has been hijacked by leftists and Labour rely on the block vote of Muslims. The BBC of 2023 is no longer neutral. The Labour party will be running scared of offending minorities. This is the predictable reality of Britain that Tony Blair created.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Of course it is. The BBC has been hijacked by leftists and Labour rely on the block vote of Muslims. The BBC of 2023 is no longer neutral. The Labour party will be running scared of offending minorities. This is the predictable reality of Britain that Tony Blair created. Pretty much. Blair is the dark lord himself.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
the paradox being that, ideologically, Labour are often quite far from them, ideologically. - LGBT - Attitudes to AntiSemitism - alcohol & drugs
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
the paradox being that, ideologically, Labour are often quite far from them, ideologically. - LGBT - Attitudes to AntiSemitism - alcohol & drugs
Labour stands for what ever might get them in power. The perception that Leftists are generally happy to see immigrants flood the country and be given positive discrimination is common.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So the BBC can't bring themselves to describe people who behead babies, rape women, execute children in front of their parents before killing them, as terrorists. Clearly the BBC is incapable of reporting the bleeding (in every sense of the word) obvious. Time they were got rid of, or at least made to finance themselves. Notwithstanding what I said above, the problem with Hamas is they were elected. Thus, it was (past tense) difficult to describe them as terrorists if they were also duly elected representatives for their people. It is wholly counter to the definition of that word to describe an elected body as terrorists. Thus, if you describe them as terrorists, you MUST also describe Israel as the same, given they murder hundreds of innocent - but "acceptable collateral" - Palestinians every year. It is a murky area. That said, their conduct and constitution has altered all that to the extent that the UK has had to formally designated them as such. Nevertheless, it stuns me that many posters on here are genuinely of the view that the only good Arab/Muslim is a dead one. I find those views appalling and have a great deal of sympathy with the Palestinian people who have been robbed and exiled and then repeatedly kicked while down. However, my sympathy does not extend to Hamas. Not just through their conduct, but by their desire to murder millions of Israelis and then set up a brutal, theocratic dictatorship. The trouble is, I do not know how to wipe them off the face of the map without murdering countless innocents. It is certainly not by the methods adopted by the current murderous, failed, Israeli government whose blood lust will cause awful consequent events to ripple through history. All this while the West sits in the sidelines cheering them on, oblivious to the consequences. Edited by silvertop (12 Oct 2023 4.48pm) Edited by silvertop (12 Oct 2023 4.49pm)
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Originally posted by silvertop
Notwithstanding what I said above, the problem with Hamas is they were elected. Thus, it was (past tense) difficult to describe them as terrorists if they were also duly elected representatives for their people. It is wholly counter to the definition of that word to describe an elected body as terrorists. Thus, if you describe them as terrorists, you MUST also describe Israel as the same, given they murder hundreds of innocent - but "acceptable collateral" - Palestinians every year. It is a murky area. That said, their conduct and constitution has altered all that to the extent that the UK has had to formally designated them as such. Nevertheless, it stuns me that many posters on here are genuinely of the view that the only good Arab/Muslim is a dead one. I find those views appalling and have a great deal of sympathy with the Palestinian people who have been robbed and exiled and then repeatedly kicked while down. However, my sympathy does not extend to Hamas. Not just through their conduct, but by their desire to murder millions of Israelis and then set up a brutal, theocratic dictatorship. The trouble is, I do not know how to wipe them off the face of the map without murdering countless innocents. It is certainly not by the methods adopted by the current murderous, failed, Israeli government whose blood lust will cause awful consequent events to ripple through history. All this while the West sits in the sidelines cheering them on, oblivious to the consequences. Edited by silvertop (12 Oct 2023 4.48pm) Edited by silvertop (12 Oct 2023 4.49pm) So was Hitler. If you/they don't want to call them terrorists, how about war criminals.
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