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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 17 4.07pm
Originally posted by elgrande The guardian, and the new statesman aren't are they...? The Guardian were urging people to vote lib dem in recent years. The new Statesman, whilst of the left, has been particularly anti Corbyn.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 17 4.07pm

Originally posted by elgrande

The guardian, and the new statesman aren't are they...?

The Guardian were urging people to vote lib dem in recent years. The new Statesman, whilst of the left, has been particularly anti Corbyn.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 17 4.10pm
Originally posted by susmik Yes first class moron: [Link] Yer about 11 posts behind everyone else. Out of context discrediting articles about Corbyn were debunked earlier.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 17 4.10pm

Originally posted by susmik

Yes first class moron:
[Link]

Yer about 11 posts behind everyone else. Out of context discrediting articles about Corbyn were debunked earlier.

Hrolf The Ganger 24 Apr 17 4.12pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Who has managed to be elected several times and has pretty much the biggest party membership in Europe. Elected by a load of commies who gate crashed the party. Meanwhile, the Parliamentary party think he's a knob.

Hrolf The Ganger

24 Apr 17 4.12pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Who has managed to be elected several times and has pretty much the biggest party membership in Europe.

Elected by a load of commies who gate crashed the party.
Meanwhile, the Parliamentary party think he's a knob.

Hrolf The Ganger 24 Apr 17 4.13pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Yer about 11 posts behind everyone else. Out of context discrediting articles about Corbyn were debunked earlier. Er, I don't think so.

Hrolf The Ganger

24 Apr 17 4.13pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yer about 11 posts behind everyone else. Out of context discrediting articles about Corbyn were debunked earlier.

Er, I don't think so.

jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Apr 17 4.27pm
Still, with an early June election, Mrs Corbyn is looking forwards to an excellent garden this year. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 24 Apr 17 4.27pm

Still, with an early June election, Mrs Corbyn is looking forwards to an excellent garden this year.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 24 Apr 17 4.27pm
Originally posted by miss smith when did you think the troubles northern in ireland started 1995 Edited by miss smith (24 Apr 2017 4.03pm) You mean they didn't? I keep hearing that Corbyn paved the way. I haven't actually seen one piece of evidence that this happened. Nothing to say he acted as a conduit between the different parties, act as a go between or host meetings etc. So what did he do? the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 24 Apr 17 4.27pm

Originally posted by miss smith

when did you think the troubles northern in ireland started 1995

Edited by miss smith (24 Apr 2017 4.03pm)

You mean they didn't?

I keep hearing that Corbyn paved the way. I haven't actually seen one piece of evidence that this happened. Nothing to say he acted as a conduit between the different parties, act as a go between or host meetings etc.

So what did he do?

the dignified don't even enter in the game

jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Apr 17 4.31pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Elected by a load of commies who gate crashed the party. Meanwhile, the Parliamentary party think he's a knob. A lot of those commies were ex-Labour party members who left in the Blairite era. Its hard for people outside of the Labour party to understand how divisive Blair and the New Way was (especially among Trade Union members, the old left and far left wing). He might be a knob, but then so are the parliamentary labour party who've basically turned around to the Labour party membership, who have twice elected Corbyn and said f**k what you want. Which pretty much sums up Blairites. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 24 Apr 17 4.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Elected by a load of commies who gate crashed the party.
Meanwhile, the Parliamentary party think he's a knob.

A lot of those commies were ex-Labour party members who left in the Blairite era. Its hard for people outside of the Labour party to understand how divisive Blair and the New Way was (especially among Trade Union members, the old left and far left wing).

He might be a knob, but then so are the parliamentary labour party who've basically turned around to the Labour party membership, who have twice elected Corbyn and said f**k what you want.

Which pretty much sums up Blairites.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

steeleye20 Croydon 24 Apr 17 4.50pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 A lot of those commies were ex-Labour party members who left in the Blairite era. Its hard for people outside of the Labour party to understand how divisive Blair and the New Way was (especially among Trade Union members, the old left and far left wing). He might be a knob, but then so are the parliamentary labour party who've basically turned around to the Labour party membership, who have twice elected Corbyn and said f**k what you want. Which pretty much sums up Blairites. I don't think voters are interested in the inner wranglings of labour. Tony Blair appealed as a centre person and he won elections.

steeleye20

Croydon 24 Apr 17 4.50pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

He might be a knob, but then so are the parliamentary labour party who've basically turned around to the Labour party membership, who have twice elected Corbyn and said f**k what you want.

Which pretty much sums up Blairites.

I don't think voters are interested in the inner wranglings of labour.

Tony Blair appealed as a centre person and he won elections.

elgrande bedford 24 Apr 17 4.53pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I don't think voters are interested in the inner wranglings of labour. Tony Blair appealed as a centre person and he won elections. And he turned out to be a war mongering c***....with hundreds of service men and women's blood on his hands always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 24 Apr 17 4.53pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I don't think voters are interested in the inner wranglings of labour.

Tony Blair appealed as a centre person and he won elections.

And he turned out to be a war mongering c***....with hundreds of service men and women's blood on his hands

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 17 4.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Elected by a load of commies who gate crashed the party. Meanwhile, the Parliamentary party think he's a knob. 300000 'commies' voted for Corbyn. Funny I thought there weren't that many in the UK.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 17 4.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Elected by a load of commies who gate crashed the party.
Meanwhile, the Parliamentary party think he's a knob.

300000 'commies' voted for Corbyn. Funny I thought there weren't that many in the UK.

elgrande bedford 24 Apr 17 4.57pm
Originally posted by nickgusset 300000 'commies' voted for Corbyn. Funny I thought there weren't that many in the UK. Should be a breeze for him in the election then. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 24 Apr 17 4.57pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

300000 'commies' voted for Corbyn. Funny I thought there weren't that many in the UK.

Should be a breeze for him in the election then.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

miss smith london 24 Apr 17 5.05pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch You mean they didn't? I keep hearing that Corbyn paved the way. I haven't actually seen one piece of evidence that this happened. Nothing to say he acted as a conduit between the different parties, act as a go between or host meetings etc. So what did he do? red dragon with respect i find the levels of ignorance about the history of troubles very distressing, i do not wish to respond to your posts about about this subject anymore, as it is too emotive Edited by miss smith (24 Apr 2017 5.09pm)

miss smith

london 24 Apr 17 5.05pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

You mean they didn't?

So what did he do?

red dragon with respect i find the levels of ignorance about the history of troubles very distressing, i do not wish to respond to your posts about about this subject anymore, as it is too emotive

Edited by miss smith (24 Apr 2017 5.09pm)

steeleye20 Croydon 24 Apr 17 5.26pm
Originally posted by nickgusset 300000 'commies' voted for Corbyn. Funny I thought there weren't that many in the UK. circa 700 only members of the communist party UK not many is it. Looking at modern life I do have my Commie moments.

steeleye20

Croydon 24 Apr 17 5.26pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

300000 'commies' voted for Corbyn. Funny I thought there weren't that many in the UK.

circa 700 only members of the communist party UK not many is it.

Looking at modern life I do have my Commie moments.

Hrolf The Ganger 24 Apr 17 8.29pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 A lot of those commies were ex-Labour party members who left in the Blairite era. Its hard for people outside of the Labour party to understand how divisive Blair and the New Way was (especially among Trade Union members, the old left and far left wing). He might be a knob, but then so are the parliamentary labour party who've basically turned around to the Labour party membership, who have twice elected Corbyn and said f**k what you want. Which pretty much sums up Blairites. There is truth in that and I suppose you could say that Blair chose electability over traditional socialist values. The trouble is that those values are not as popular with the wealthier working class as they once were when times were harder. The Thatcher years changed politics. Britain's wealth and reboot as a respected nation is an indictment of Labour policy of the 70's and why the likes of Corbyn will never be elected again for a couple of generations if ever. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Apr 2017 8.29pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

24 Apr 17 8.29pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

He might be a knob, but then so are the parliamentary labour party who've basically turned around to the Labour party membership, who have twice elected Corbyn and said f**k what you want.

Which pretty much sums up Blairites.

There is truth in that and I suppose you could say that Blair chose electability over traditional socialist values. The trouble is that those values are not as popular with the wealthier working class as they once were when times were harder. The Thatcher years changed politics. Britain's wealth and reboot as a respected nation is an indictment of Labour policy of the 70's and why the likes of Corbyn will never be elected again for a couple of generations if ever.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Apr 2017 8.29pm)

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 24 Apr 17 9.47pm
Originally posted by miss smith red dragon with respect i find the levels of ignorance about the history of troubles very distressing, i do not wish to respond to your posts about about this subject anymore, as it is too emotive Edited by miss smith (24 Apr 2017 5.09pm) That is your Perogative. I have no problem with that, I do have a problem with the insinuation that I am ignorant regarding Northern Ireland. I would never claim to be an expert, but I am far from ignorant Hopefully we can debate other subjects in General Talk. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 24 Apr 17 9.47pm

Originally posted by miss smith

red dragon with respect i find the levels of ignorance about the history of troubles very distressing, i do not wish to respond to your posts about about this subject anymore, as it is too emotive

Edited by miss smith (24 Apr 2017 5.09pm)

That is your Perogative. I have no problem with that, I do have a problem with the insinuation that I am ignorant regarding Northern Ireland. I would never claim to be an expert, but I am far from ignorant

Hopefully we can debate other subjects in General Talk.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Bert the Head Epsom 29 Apr 17 12.41am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger There is truth in that and I suppose you could say that Blair chose electability over traditional socialist values. The trouble is that those values are not as popular with the wealthier working class as they once were when times were harder. The Thatcher years changed politics. Britain's wealth and reboot as a respected nation is an indictment of Labour policy of the 70's and why the likes of Corbyn will never be elected again for a couple of generations if ever. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Apr 2017 8.29pm) I would argue that in the 1990s neo-libealiasm was still new and was beyond challenge. Of course in reality it was a rehash of policies that failed in the 1930s and failed again in 2008. That is why Corbyn is great. He has the guts to the challenge a failed orthodoxy. People were still rich after the 1930s as they were after 2008 but for fkuck sake lets not pretend that system works. Jeremy is fighting against it while May hides behind a bias media and says nothing - just as she did during the Euro debate. To Kim Jong May strong leadership is doing nothing while the Daily mail and Telegraph shout your arguments; after all they gave them to you in the first place so surely they relay them better.

Bert the Head

Epsom 29 Apr 17 12.41am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Apr 2017 8.29pm)

I would argue that in the 1990s neo-libealiasm was still new and was beyond challenge. Of course in reality it was a rehash of policies that failed in the 1930s and failed again in 2008. That is why Corbyn is great. He has the guts to the challenge a failed orthodoxy. People were still rich after the 1930s as they were after 2008 but for fkuck sake lets not pretend that system works.

Jeremy is fighting against it while May hides behind a bias media and says nothing - just as she did during the Euro debate. To Kim Jong May strong leadership is doing nothing while the Daily mail and Telegraph shout your arguments; after all they gave them to you in the first place so surely they relay them better.

kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 06 May 17 11.16am
The problem I see with Corbyn is that he doesn't inspire voter confidence. I watched a report on BBC World where a reporter canvassed several areas around Britain, including Scotland & Wales, and the people interviewed overwhelming felt that he is not a leader. A few went so far to say that ordering the three line whip on the Brexit Bill told them he's a male version of Theresa May, which I find baffling. It would seem that even in traditional Labour heartlands that they are battling widespread voter disenchantment and have a credibility gap. Given what happened in the latest Council Elections, the momentum is with the Tories. Right now, I can see them gaining a majority of 40 to 50 unless Labour and the Lib Dems get serious about truly challenging the Tories on bedrock issues rather than, in Labour's case, promising four new bank holidays. For a country with Election fatigue, Corbyn has been less than inspiring and at the rate he's going Labour is headed for an embarrassment. Divorced...And LOVING it! VJRAM Rev. CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach Trevor Francis, International PRAT

kenbarr

Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 06 May 17 11.16am

The problem I see with Corbyn is that he doesn't inspire voter confidence. I watched a report on BBC World where a reporter canvassed several areas around Britain, including Scotland & Wales, and the people interviewed overwhelming felt that he is not a leader. A few went so far to say that ordering the three line whip on the Brexit Bill told them he's a male version of Theresa May, which I find baffling. It would seem that even in traditional Labour heartlands that they are battling widespread voter disenchantment and have a credibility gap. Given what happened in the latest Council Elections, the momentum is with the Tories. Right now, I can see them gaining a majority of 40 to 50 unless Labour and the Lib Dems get serious about truly challenging the Tories on bedrock issues rather than, in Labour's case, promising four new bank holidays. For a country with Election fatigue, Corbyn has been less than inspiring and at the rate he's going Labour is headed for an embarrassment.

Divorced...And LOVING it!
VJRAM Rev.
CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC
Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach
Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach
Trevor Francis, International PRAT

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 May 17 11.19am
Originally posted by kenbarr The problem I see with Corbyn is that he doesn't inspire voter confidence. I watched a report on BBC World where a reporter canvassed several areas around Britain, including Scotland & Wales, and the people interviewed overwhelming felt that he is not a leader. A few went so far to say that ordering the three line whip on the Brexit Bill told them he's a male version of Theresa May, which I find baffling. It would seem that even in traditional Labour heartlands that they are battling widespread voter disenchantment and have a credibility gap. Given what happened in the latest Council Elections, the momentum is with the Tories. Right now, I can see them gaining a majority of 40 to 50 unless Labour and the Lib Dems get serious about truly challenging the Tories on bedrock issues rather than, in Labour's case, promising four new bank holidays. For a country with Election fatigue, Corbyn has been less than inspiring and at the rate he's going Labour is headed for an embarrassment. It has been said that based on the 'Local' results, the Conservatives will get a majority of 48. But Government's do much better in the 'General Election' - The Conservatives had a 3% lead in the 'Locals' under Thatcher but there was a 16% gap in the GE.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 May 17 11.19am

Originally posted by kenbarr

The problem I see with Corbyn is that he doesn't inspire voter confidence. I watched a report on BBC World where a reporter canvassed several areas around Britain, including Scotland & Wales, and the people interviewed overwhelming felt that he is not a leader. A few went so far to say that ordering the three line whip on the Brexit Bill told them he's a male version of Theresa May, which I find baffling. It would seem that even in traditional Labour heartlands that they are battling widespread voter disenchantment and have a credibility gap. Given what happened in the latest Council Elections, the momentum is with the Tories. Right now, I can see them gaining a majority of 40 to 50 unless Labour and the Lib Dems get serious about truly challenging the Tories on bedrock issues rather than, in Labour's case, promising four new bank holidays. For a country with Election fatigue, Corbyn has been less than inspiring and at the rate he's going Labour is headed for an embarrassment.

It has been said that based on the 'Local' results, the Conservatives will get a majority of 48.
But Government's do much better in the 'General Election' - The Conservatives had a 3% lead in the 'Locals' under Thatcher but there was a 16% gap in the GE.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 06 May 17 11.31am
Originally posted by kenbarr The problem I see with Corbyn is that he doesn't inspire voter confidence. I watched a report on BBC World where a reporter canvassed several areas around Britain, including Scotland & Wales, and the people interviewed overwhelming felt that he is not a leader. A few went so far to say that ordering the three line whip on the Brexit Bill told them he's a male version of Theresa May, which I find baffling. It would seem that even in traditional Labour heartlands that they are battling widespread voter disenchantment and have a credibility gap. Given what happened in the latest Council Elections, the momentum is with the Tories. Right now, I can see them gaining a majority of 40 to 50 unless Labour and the Lib Dems get serious about truly challenging the Tories on bedrock issues rather than, in Labour's case, promising four new bank holidays. For a country with Election fatigue, Corbyn has been less than inspiring and at the rate he's going Labour is headed for an embarrassment. In Wales the slogan is Carwyn not Corbyn. To give you an idea of how bad that is, it isn't long ago Carwyn James was fairly unpopular amongst Labour voters the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 06 May 17 11.31am

Originally posted by kenbarr

In Wales the slogan is Carwyn not Corbyn.

To give you an idea of how bad that is, it isn't long ago Carwyn James was fairly unpopular amongst Labour voters

the dignified don't even enter in the game

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 06 May 17 11.59am
Labour getting done over in the council elections so god help them in the General election in a few weeks time. But there again I do not think God helping them will make it look any better! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 06 May 17 11.59am

Labour getting done over in the council elections so god help them in the General election in a few weeks time. But there again I do not think God helping them will make it look any better!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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