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 davidpercival  Croydon 29 Jul 16 7.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
your abuse hardly adds to you case but I would point out that Britain is in Nato as well so we don't need to spend billions which could be better used constructively.
And they are covered under the nuclear umbrella. If you don't think Britain is a significant player, you're a complete moron.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Jul 16 8.15pm |
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We are a significant player because of the potential of a nuclear accident caused by us. It is only a week since the HMS Astute collision (nuclear submarine but not Trident) was damaged in the med near Gibraltar. A brief headline but nothing more except the Captain was on holiday? What is going on.
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leifandersonshair  Newport 29 Jul 16 9.17pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If you weren't so naive you might just realise that it has been nuclear weapons that have prevented that very thing from happening. And I had no idea that Crispin's mum was at Greenham Common. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Jul 2016 8.13am) I think the nuclear deterrent idea is a bit of a fallacy. Anyone crazy enough to use a nuke is going to use it regardless of whether they are going to get nuked in return. Unfortunately, Putin is exactly that crazy. Trump will be too, if he gets in. I think everyone knows that nuclear weapons are a Bad Thing. In a perfect, logical world we'd dismantle the bloody things quick as we could. But we aren't. I respect Corbyn's views on nuclear disarmament. I wish more people were like him. Unfortunately, they aren't, and in this issue, he is out of tune with public opinion.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jul 16 9.21pm |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
If Trident is so good and necessary, why don't countries like Germany, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Austalia, South Korea, Italy, Spain etc etc get them? Even if you are right that nuclear weapons stopped world war (which is debatable), it certainly wasn't our pea shooter.
They would do if thy ever thought about attacking us.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jul 16 9.25pm |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
I think the nuclear deterrent idea is a bit of a fallacy. Anyone crazy enough to use a nuke is going to use it regardless of whether they are going to get nuked in return. Unfortunately, Putin is exactly that crazy. Trump will be too, if he gets in. I think everyone knows that nuclear weapons are a Bad Thing. In a perfect, logical world we'd dismantle the bloody things quick as we could. But we aren't. I respect Corbyn's views on nuclear disarmament. I wish more people were like him. Unfortunately, they aren't, and in this issue, he is out of tune with public opinion. You can think want you like, but remember that the only time nuclear weapons have been dropped in anger was when only one country had them. JAT.
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| davidpercival Croydon 30 Jul 16 3.58pm |
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well they haven't thought of attacking all the other countries I mentioned, so why would they attack us. Do you think we should be advising all these other countries to get nuclear weapons if they are such a good thing/ I haven't heard that their populations are demanding their governments immediately start spending billions of such a project. Do you think the germans, Italians, Spanish et all are all fools? Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
They would do if thy ever thought about attacking us.
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| leifandersonshair Newport 30 Jul 16 4.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You can think want you like, but remember that the only time nuclear weapons have been dropped in anger was when only one country had them. JAT. So you really think the prospect of being nuked in return is the only thing stopping Putin, Kim Jong Un or any other nutjob leader you care to name? And if we disarmed, they'd suddenly shout, "Ha! Gotcha!" and wipe us all out? You can think that if you like too.
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 30 Jul 16 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
well they haven't thought of attacking all the other countries I mentioned, so why would they attack us. Do you think we should be advising all these other countries to get nuclear weapons if they are such a good thing/ I haven't heard that their populations are demanding their governments immediately start spending billions of such a project. Do you think the germans, Italians, Spanish et all are all fools? Not fools, but long term signatories to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
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| davidpercival Croydon 30 Jul 16 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Why did they sign it if nuclear weapons are such a good idea to have then?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jul 16 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
So you really think the prospect of being nuked in return is the only thing stopping Putin, Kim Jong Un or any other nutjob leader you care to name? And if we disarmed, they'd suddenly shout, "Ha! Gotcha!" and wipe us all out? You can think that if you like too. What I know is that had Russia or Germany invented the bomb we would probably not be here now discussing this. The threat of mutually assured destruction has prevented a major conflict between the super powers since WW2.Any other interpretation is naive revisionist claptrap.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jul 16 5.32pm |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
well they haven't thought of attacking all the other countries I mentioned, so why would they attack us. Do you think we should be advising all these other countries to get nuclear weapons if they are such a good thing/ I haven't heard that their populations are demanding their governments immediately start spending billions of such a project. Do you think the germans, Italians, Spanish et all are all fools? Well they lost the war, if that is anything to go by.
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| chris123 hove actually 30 Jul 16 6.35pm |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
well they haven't thought of attacking all the other countries I mentioned, so why would they attack us. Do you think we should be advising all these other countries to get nuclear weapons if they are such a good thing/ I haven't heard that their populations are demanding their governments immediately start spending billions of such a project. Do you think the germans, Italians, Spanish et all are all fools? The US have nuclear weapons in Germany and Italy.
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