Not true it is making no difference. There is a renewed push on diversity and inclusion from employers. Senior black candidates are in particular demand and are in short supply.

No political organisation owns a gesture do they?

"Taking the knee" was started by Colin Kaepernick and has grown as a symbol to show support for anti-racism. It has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of political ideology. Whether an organisation uses it or tries to hijack it is immaterial.

The FA are saying it not as an instruction to anybody. They are saying it because it's a fact.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Dec 2020 8.47am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Apparently not if the FA or some footballers say so. I'm asking Di Canio what it means.

Red and Blue Army!

The Nazi's use of that salute, the way they forced their people to use it and its associations has meant it has become tainted with evil.

In fact it was used by the Romans and by many others previously so was never "owned" by the Germans. That's just a perception.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Your post questioned the denial of support for any political motivations and then that people were saying that because the FA have told them that's their position.

My response directly contradicts those assertions as being factually inaccurate so has everything to do with your post.

I ignored the bit about "Proud Boys" for being the irrelevancy it is.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

You really don't like being presented with facts do you? Especially when they destroy one of your hobby horses.

You have lost this argument. That ought to be crystal clear by now.

Time to go off and choose another drum to bang.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

The 'proud boy' point exposures the FAs and your whole position for the 'it is because I say it is' nonsense and double standard.

That's why you avoided it.

As for you point about the FA....both QPR and Coventry showed that basically the vast majority of footballers will do what their employers tell them to do.

The idea that a footballer or official out there who doesn't agree with kneeling would be fine if they ignored kneeling and stood while the rest of their side knelt is ridiculous. They would be attacked by all the usual suspects and probably think they just don't need it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Brilliant. Before social media was available to androgynous males, all you’d know about players via matchday programmes, was there favourite music and food. They aren’t political commentators or ambassadors. They’ve been paid to play football since and during school.

COYP

Every single player in England asked did they, and still would do?

He’s right, you are Benjamin Button.

COYP

The coach and the director of football at QPR Les Ferdinand came out against kneeling a few weeks back...Really weird then that all of a sudden his players stopped kneeling.

No doubt if he had been white he'd have people like you on his back.....Indoctrinated self hating coporate lackeys.

I haven't looked into the Coventry situation.

To believe that all players are of the same attitude is simple minded.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2020 10.02am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)