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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Feb 22 9.28am
Originally posted by Matov Its possible he is. Modern main stream news-print journalism is now primarily composed of people under the age of 25 earning, at best, minimum wage and just as likely to be doing it whilst on an internship which pays nothing. In fact, they may have even paid (or rather a rich relative) to be doing them job. Along with numerous of the 'filler' types stories coming straight from PR/Ad agencies. Yes, the main opinion piece writers will still be the more mature and experienced journalists but thats about it. Still plenty of good writing/reporting out there but the chances of finding it in any daily newspaper, with notable exceptions and almost always in the weekend editions, are remote. I was told that a huge part of the "news" in the papers was actually press releases from government and corporates which the media obligingly dressed up as news. That plus the feeding frenzy on social media means that very little of it is actually investigative journalism. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 21 Feb 22 9.28am

Originally posted by Matov

Its possible he is. Modern main stream news-print journalism is now primarily composed of people under the age of 25 earning, at best, minimum wage and just as likely to be doing it whilst on an internship which pays nothing. In fact, they may have even paid (or rather a rich relative) to be doing them job. Along with numerous of the 'filler' types stories coming straight from PR/Ad agencies.

Yes, the main opinion piece writers will still be the more mature and experienced journalists but thats about it.

Still plenty of good writing/reporting out there but the chances of finding it in any daily newspaper, with notable exceptions and almost always in the weekend editions, are remote.

I was told that a huge part of the "news" in the papers was actually press releases from government and corporates which the media obligingly dressed up as news. That plus the feeding frenzy on social media means that very little of it is actually investigative journalism.

One more point

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silvertop Portishead 21 Feb 22 9.51am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly UK does not have a constitution. It includes everything that is not Legislated for. That is why recent Government Legislation proposals (restricting rights to protest) have so incensed Human Rights campaigners. There were other reasons they were incensed.
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Portishead 21 Feb 22 9.51am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

UK does not have a constitution. It includes everything that is not Legislated for. That is why recent Government Legislation proposals (restricting rights to protest) have so incensed Human Rights campaigners.

There were other reasons they were incensed.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 21 Feb 22 9.54am
Just for the sake of clarity, Ukraine can not unilaterally decide to join NATO, yet it is included as a " to do " in an amendment to the Ukrainian constitution. Ukraine has no standing in any agreements between NATO and any other entities in the current or future membership of NATO. In any case any country that has a current border dispute, which Ukraine has, is ineligible to join NATO under the prevailing rules. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 21 Feb 22 9.54am

Just for the sake of clarity, Ukraine can not unilaterally decide to join NATO, yet it is included as a " to do " in an amendment to the Ukrainian constitution.

Ukraine has no standing in any agreements between NATO and any other entities in the current or future membership of NATO.

In any case any country that has a current border dispute, which Ukraine has, is ineligible to join NATO under the prevailing rules.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Feb 22 11.57am
Originally posted by Badger11 I was told that a huge part of the "news" in the papers was actually press releases from government and corporates which the media obligingly dressed up as news. That plus the feeding frenzy on social media means that very little of it is actually investigative journalism. Yes, definitely. You are better off trying to work it out for yourself. If amazon aren't busy, nobody is, so if you get deliveries coming days early that's what it tells me. Not dubious headlines figures giving large rises in GDP by comparing to a time when we were shut. Observation of what is happening is surprising, this area is definitely not going green.
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steeleye20

Croydon 21 Feb 22 11.57am

Originally posted by Badger11

Yes, definitely.

You are better off trying to work it out for yourself.

If amazon aren't busy, nobody is, so if you get deliveries coming days early that's what it tells me.

Not dubious headlines figures giving large rises in GDP by comparing to a time when we were shut.

Observation of what is happening is surprising, this area is definitely not going green.

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Matov 21 Feb 22 12.16pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 You are better off trying to work it out for yourself. Absolutely. My rule of thumb now is just to assume that whatever the headline is, assume its a deliberate lie to throw you off the scent. And also to look for what is not being reported. Can often tell you all you need to really know in terms of confirming what information you have. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

21 Feb 22 12.16pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

You are better off trying to work it out for yourself.

Absolutely. My rule of thumb now is just to assume that whatever the headline is, assume its a deliberate lie to throw you off the scent. And also to look for what is not being reported. Can often tell you all you need to really know in terms of confirming what information you have.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Feb 22 12.28pm
Originally posted by Matov Absolutely. My rule of thumb now is just to assume that whatever the headline is, assume its a deliberate lie to throw you off the scent. And also to look for what is not being reported. Can often tell you all you need to really know in terms of confirming what information you have. Here is a good one M. Russia has list of Ukrainians ‘to be killed or sent to camps,’ US officials say.
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steeleye20

Croydon 21 Feb 22 12.28pm

Originally posted by Matov

Here is a good one M.

Russia has list of Ukrainians ‘to be killed or sent to camps,’ US officials say.

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Matov 21 Feb 22 12.41pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Here is a good one M. Russia has list of Ukrainians ‘to be killed or sent to camps,’ US officials say. LOL. This entire Ukraine crisis has been a delight for spotting astroturfed 'news' stories. Personally, I loved the one about the Kindergarten being shelled with the picture of supposedly a shell hole looking like it had been just put in with a sledgehammer along with tiny little footballs all conveniently being scattered around. I have seen plenty of shelled buildings back in the early 90s and none of them looked liked that. (dust is the key. It is literally over everything). Throw in the only black kid in Ukraine being shown how to assemble an assault rifle (child-soldiers clearly no longer a bad thing) along with some sweet looking old granny being taught how to hold a wooden cut-out rifle by LITERALLY a full-on neo-Nazi in uniform complete with attendant insignia and the entire thing has been a glaring lesson in just how fake so much of this s*** it. Plus the almost daily warnings, for weeks now, of 'imminent' Russian invasion and its beyond mockery. Edited by Matov (21 Feb 2022 12.42pm) Edited by Matov (21 Feb 2022 12.42pm) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

21 Feb 22 12.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Here is a good one M.

Russia has list of Ukrainians ‘to be killed or sent to camps,’ US officials say.

LOL.

This entire Ukraine crisis has been a delight for spotting astroturfed 'news' stories. Personally, I loved the one about the Kindergarten being shelled with the picture of supposedly a shell hole looking like it had been just put in with a sledgehammer along with tiny little footballs all conveniently being scattered around. I have seen plenty of shelled buildings back in the early 90s and none of them looked liked that. (dust is the key. It is literally over everything).

Throw in the only black kid in Ukraine being shown how to assemble an assault rifle (child-soldiers clearly no longer a bad thing) along with some sweet looking old granny being taught how to hold a wooden cut-out rifle by LITERALLY a full-on neo-Nazi in uniform complete with attendant insignia and the entire thing has been a glaring lesson in just how fake so much of this s*** it.

Plus the almost daily warnings, for weeks now, of 'imminent' Russian invasion and its beyond mockery.

Edited by Matov (21 Feb 2022 12.42pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Feb 22 1.03pm
Elections watchdog tells government to drop power-grab with ‘no precedent’ in Western democracies. Ministers will 'soon be able to decide who takes part in elections'. I think my description of UK democracy as 'limited' is actually very generous.
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steeleye20

Croydon 21 Feb 22 1.03pm

Elections watchdog tells government to drop power-grab with ‘no precedent’ in Western democracies.

Ministers will 'soon be able to decide who takes part in elections'.

I think my description of UK democracy as 'limited' is actually very generous.

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georgenorman 21 Feb 22 5.36pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Elections watchdog tells government to drop power-grab with ‘no precedent’ in Western democracies. Ministers will 'soon be able to decide who takes part in elections'. I think my description of UK democracy as 'limited' is actually very generous. Quango moans about its terms of reference being altered shock horror.
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georgenorman

21 Feb 22 5.36pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Elections watchdog tells government to drop power-grab with ‘no precedent’ in Western democracies.

Ministers will 'soon be able to decide who takes part in elections'.

I think my description of UK democracy as 'limited' is actually very generous.

Quango moans about its terms of reference being altered shock horror.

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chris123 hove actually 21 Feb 22 6.54pm
Putin speaking right now.
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hove actually 21 Feb 22 6.54pm

Putin speaking right now.

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Stirlingsays 21 Feb 22 7.16pm
Originally posted by chris123 Putin speaking right now. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Feb 22 7.16pm