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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jun 17 10.34am

The truth is that for decades, 'Comrade Corbyn' has been a totally shameless apologist for the world's men of evil, including his nauseating support for the IRA.

Edited by Willo (01 Jun 2017 10.34am)

 

legaleagle Flag 01 Jun 17 10.38am

Bet you didn't say that about Maggie and that mass murderer Pinochet

Was that the same Provisional IRA men opf evil that governments ,both Tory and Labour, than opened back channel negotiations with (as Corbyn had advocated) and which led to the present day peace in N Ireland?

 

Jacey Flag 01 Jun 17 10.44am

Originally posted by Willo

The truth is that for decades, 'Comrade Corbyn' has been a totally shameless apologist for the world's men of evil, including his nauseating support for the IRA.

Edited by Willo (01 Jun 2017 10.34am)

The same disaster Corbyn who will trash the economy with his fantasy economics and apparently, will send our nuclear submarines on patrol, BUT without any nuclear weapons on board,to meet his obligations to C N D.
Wow,what a strong leader,fond of reds. Well he does support the Arse!!

 

dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 01 Jun 17 10.48am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Bet you didn't say that about Maggie and that mass murderer Pinochet

Was that the same Provisional IRA men opf evil that governments ,both Tory and Labour, than opened back channel negotiations with (as Corbyn had advocated) and which led to the present day peace in N Ireland?

The IRA were only ready to talk because of the clandestine work of the UKSF who infiltrated the higher ranks of the IRA to such an extent that they couldn't operate as a terrorist organisation, in that mode any longer.

They were coerced to the negotiating table, they most certainly wouldn't have taken a seat at the negotiating table if Corbyns policy of giving them tea and biscuits every time they blew part of Belfast's or London's occupants apart.

He's a pacifist, an apologist and a coward.

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jun 17 10.49am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Bet you didn't say that about Maggie and that mass murderer Pinochet

Was that the same Provisional IRA men opf evil that governments ,both Tory and Labour, than opened back channel negotiations with (as Corbyn had advocated) and which led to the present day peace in N Ireland?

What the same Corbyn who was one of the most vociferous chaeerleaders in Westminster, regularly sharing platforms with activists thought to have kiiled Police officers, soldiers and civilians.

The same Corbyn who hosted a party in Westminster for Adams to launch his autobiography which included the killing of a British soldier.That year we already had a spate of IRA attrocities on the mainland, including the bombing of 'Canary Wharf' and the detonation of a device on a bus in London.At the end of the day Corbyn's 'Comrades' had car-bombed, shot, tortured and killed thei way across the country.

I could go on and on about Corbyn who has been a consistent apologist for terrorism.

Not going to waste any more time on this thread on the dastardly Corbyn and his ridiculous Labour party - I have to be out canvassing on behalf of my party.

Edited by Willo (01 Jun 2017 10.50am)

 

DanH Flag SW2 01 Jun 17 10.52am

Really find it hard to believe people believe that being a pacifist is worse than agreeing to sell billions of pounds worth of arms to Saudi Arabia.

 

Jacey Flag 01 Jun 17 10.58am

The only good news about Corbyn is that following his absolute thrashing at the polls next week, is that he will still remain leader of the Opposition for many years to come.
A dreamer in chief of her majesty's opposition.

 

gambler Flag Kent 01 Jun 17 11.14am

Originally posted by DanH

Really find it hard to believe people believe that being a pacifist is worse than agreeing to sell billions of pounds worth of arms to Saudi Arabia.

Amazing ain't it.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Jun 17 11.24am

Originally posted by Jacey

The only good news about Corbyn is that following his absolute thrashing at the polls next week, is that he will still remain leader of the Opposition for many years to come.
A dreamer in chief of her majesty's opposition.

Time for someone human in Number 10 if young people vote there is a chance.

Corbyn will make a good leader he is not a dictator and will be able to meet others half-way and it will mean having to make agreements with people of quite different views.

The tories and especially Mrs May just don't have that ability.


 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Jun 17 12.01pm


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We all knew perfectly well that the billionaire right-wing press barons and their lackeys in the Tory party would attempt to smear the hell out of Jeremy Corbyn during this election campaign.

They hate his policies of standing up for ordinary people and repatriating vital British infrastructure and services out of the hands of multinational corporations and foreign government like China and Qatar.

They hate his policies so much they're absolutely fixated on trying to destroy his reputation with anything they've got, and his early involvement in the Northern Ireland peace process is seriously the best they can come up with, because they know it feeds into the anti-Irish bigotry that still unfortunately exists in Great Britain.

In this article I'm going to set the record straight by detailing 9 things that every voter should know about the Corbyn-IRA smear campaign.

1. Condemning the IRA bombings (part one)

When Jeremy Corbyn was interviewed by Sophy Ridge during the 2017 election campaign he clearly condemned the IRA bombings, but the Tories outright lied that he didn't.

The right-wing propagandists really seem to believe that people will mindlessly lap up their reality-reversing lies rather than quickly checking things for themselves (see video)
"I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA" - how much clearer could this be? pic.twitter.com/Ggxh90M0lM
— Another Angry Voice (@Angry_Voice) May 21, 2017
2. Condemning the IRA bombings (part two)

Anyone who says that Jeremy Corbyn has "never" condemned the IRA bombings is lying through their teeth. In 1994 Corbyn signed a parliamentary motion on the 20th anniversary of the IRA pub bombing in Birmingham which described the attack as a deplorable terrorist atrocity.

It's on the parliamentary record here for all to see.

3. Misrepresentations (Sinn Féin are not the IRA)

Anyone sharing pictures of Jeremy Corbyn with people like Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness to "prove" that he met the IRA is either being thick, or totally disingenuous.

Adams and McGuinness were not the IRA, they were leaders of the democratic political party Sinn Féin, which is the political wing of the Irish Republican movement, not the now-disbanded terrorist faction.

People who share these pictures are either so blinded by anti-Irish bigotry that they can't differentiate between a political party and a terrorist organisation, or they know the difference perfectly well, but they're sharing the pictures in order to feed into the anti-Irish bigotry of people they consider to gullible and easily led.

4. Peacemaker

In 2013 Jeremy Corbyn was awarded the Gandhi Foundation International Peace Award for his efforts to bring about a peaceful solution to the conflict in Northern Irel

5. The Loyalists

The right-wing smear merchants are always desperate to bring up the fact that Corbyn met with Irish republicans, but they're a lot more reticent about the fact he also met plenty of Loyalists too in his campaign for peace.

Corbyn met with Gary McMichael and David Ervine (Ervine was a jailed loyalist terrorist turned politician for the PUP), and he also spoke regularly with Ian Paisley who, according to his widow Eileen, considered Corbyn to be "likeable", "courteous", "polite" and "a gentleman".

In light of the indisputable fact that Ian Paisley was a fierce opponent of Irish republicanism, why on earth would he say such things about a guy, who according to the Tory smears, was undermining the loyalist cause by promoting a peaceful solution to the conflict?

6. Openness vs Secrecy

Corbyn spoke openly to Irish republicans and Ulster Loyalists during the 1980s. Nobody is denying that.

The problem for the Tories is that declassified records prove that Margaret Thatcher was secretly negotiating direct with the IRA terrorists at the time. The shocking thing isn't that she was negotiating with terrorists though, it's the fact that she outright lied to the British public over and again every time she repeated her "we do not negotiate with terrorists" phrase.

People who attack Corbyn for openly talking peace, whilst refusing to condemn Thatcher's secret negotiations with the IRA, or the succession of lies she told to the British public are clearly as happy with secrecy and lies from right-wingers as they are furious with openness and honesty from left-wingers.

7. Abject Tory hypocrisy (that councillor)

If right-wingers really honestly cared about criticising politicians with links to the IRA, why is it that they're perfectly happy to have an ex-IRA terrorist and arms smuggler serving as a Tory councillor in Croydon?

You can find more details on this ex-IRA Tory politician in this article, or by Googling "Maria Gatland" for yourself.

8. Boris Johnson's super-hypocrisy

Of all the people resorting to IRA-Corbyn smears, the crap-haired buffoon Boris Johnson surely has to be the most hypocritical.

Not only did Boris share a picture of Corbyn with a member of Sinn Féin to "prove" that he met the IRA (refer back to point three and draw your own conclusions about whether Boris is being intensely thick or sickeningly disingenuous) he also claimed that this picture of Corbyn and McGuinness in the 1990s (while the peace process was really beginning to move forward) was proof that Corbyn is untrustworthy!

An accusation of untrustworthiness from a man who repeatedly lied that the NHS would get £350 million a week extra after Brexit!

Even if you agree with Brexit, only the worst kind of political tribalist could possibly try to argue that Boris brazenly lying to the British public like that in order to swing the vote was acceptable and trustworthy conduct.

9. Sheer bloody desperation

Perhaps the most important point of all is the sheer desperation that these Tory-IRA smears demonstrate.

They don't have any positive policies of their own to promote. They don't have any coherent criticisms of Corbyn's policies. So all they have left is a sickening smear campaign in the desperate hope that a combination of public fact aversion and anti-Irish bigotry is enough to put people off voting in favour of Labour's transformational manifesto.

They don't have a single legitimate argument in favour of themselves, or against Labour's policies so they're resorting to the dirtiest muck-slinging tactics possible.

I'll leave you with a quote from Margaret Thatcher about that kind of politics:

"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." - Margaret Thatcher

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 01 Jun 17 12.16pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Time for someone human in Number 10 if young people vote there is a chance.

Corbyn will make a good leader he is not a dictator and will be able to meet others half-way
and it will mean having to make agreements with people of quite different views.

The tories and especially Mrs May just don't have that ability.


Like the PLP?

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 01 Jun 17 1.08pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Bet you didn't say that about Maggie and that mass murderer Pinochet

Was that the same Provisional IRA men opf evil that governments ,both Tory and Labour, than opened back channel negotiations with (as Corbyn had advocated) and which led to the present day peace in N Ireland?

Did Pinochet bomb mainland Britain then, I must have missed that.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Jun 17 1.13pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch


Like the PLP?

By all means talk to a public leaning post whatever does it for you.

 

gambler Flag Kent 01 Jun 17 1.15pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

By all means talk to a public leaning post whatever does it for you.

Proper living person

 

dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 01 Jun 17 1.21pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Time for someone human in Number 10 if young people vote there is a chance.

The young want everything for nothing generation who think everything should be free, but have not an igloo how to pay for everything. Nice idea, doesn't work in reality. PS thats where most of us old people live, (by old I mean anything over 30)

Corbyn will make a good leader he is not a dictator and will be able to meet others half-way and it will mean having to make agreements with people of quite different views.

He couldn't lead a mouse to cheese, he is weak, timid, and would let anyone just piss on his back and tell him it's raining. Pussy. The very opposite of leader. Also please tell me why we have to "make agreements with people of differing views". We have OUR laws and practices why should we change them for others ?

The tories and especially Mrs May just don't have that ability.

Oh really, give examples. What about the Good Friday Agreement largely put together by John Major.


 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 01 Jun 17 1.29pm

Originally posted by dannyh
The young want everything for nothing generation who think everything should be free, but have not an igloo how to pay for everything. Nice idea, doesn't work in reality. PS thats where most of us old people live, (by old I mean anything over 30)

The generation who think everything should be free? Unlike the baby-boomer generation who actually got everything for free - free higher education, free school meals, defined benefit pensions, early retirement, cheap housing which then sky-rocketed in value, increased living standards way above everyone else for the last 20 years you mean??

I think young people want more equality of opportunity, decent job prospects and well funded public services.

Edited by CambridgeEagle (01 Jun 2017 1.29pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Jun 17 1.30pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

The generation who think everything should be free? Unlike the baby-boomer generation who actually got everything for free - free higher education, free school meals, defined benefit pensions, early retirement, cheap housing which then sky-rocketed in value, increased living standards way above everyone else for the last 20 years you mean??

I think young people want more equality of opportunity, decent job prospects and well funded public services.

Edited by CambridgeEagle (01 Jun 2017 1.29pm)

Are you serious? How old are you son?

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Jun 17 1.37pm

Originally posted by dannyh


In the event of a hung parliament the PM would probably have to make alliances with other parties to govern.

No idea what the IRA and Major has to do with the post but obviously if what you say is true then he must have been talking to the terrorists.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 01 Jun 17 1.41pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

The generation who think everything should be free? Unlike the baby-boomer generation who actually got everything for free - free higher education, free school meals, defined benefit pensions, early retirement, cheap housing which then sky-rocketed in value, increased living standards way above everyone else for the last 20 years you mean??

I think young people want more equality of opportunity, decent job prospects and well funded public services.

Edited by CambridgeEagle (01 Jun 2017 1.29pm)

Lots more people here now,both people living longer and 10 years of un fettered immigration.
So not enough to go round.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 01 Jun 17 2.02pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Lots more people here now,both people living longer and 10 years of un fettered immigration.
So not enough to go round.

Which generation signed us up for that? The young are paying through the nose for the largess of those aged 60+

 

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