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 Stirlingsays  08 Dec 20 10.07am |
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Originally posted by DanH
I really don't square how some on here are happy with the gesture being booed, yet can happily sit and watch Palace play. We had 7 black players in our starting line up on Sunday. Wilf has published a few times examples of some of the racist abuse he has to put up with.
Then you haven't been reading people's posts. I know that in your adept mind it's all about racism. So as you say you just don't understand how they can support a team with black players in it. Doesn't compute for you does it.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Dec 20 10.13am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Then you haven't been reading people's posts. I know that in your adept mind it's all about racism. So as you say you just don't understand how they can support a team with black players in it. Doesn't compute for you does it. The obvious pitfall of absolutism is that it leaves no room for common sense or logic.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Dec 20 10.20am |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
The obvious pitfall of absolutism is that it leaves no room for common sense or logic. For some of them that's a godsend, they can get their opinions from the Guardian and not think too hard.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 08 Dec 20 10.26am |
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Originally posted by DanH
But again, times change. Players now have platforms. They are seen by millions and millions of people all over the world. They are role models who kids aspire to be. Why should they just be pawns for your entertainment just because they happen to be well paid compared to you? I really don't square how some on here are happy with the gesture being booed, yet can happily sit and watch Palace play. We had 7 black players in our starting line up on Sunday. Wilf has published a few times examples of some of the racist abuse he has to put up with. If this is a gesture that our players want to make, surely you should support that? Wonder how many on here would be brave enough to stand up in front of a room of our players and explain why they would boo it. Edited by DanH (08 Dec 2020 9.59am) I would have no problem explaining to anyone why booing is the only way fans can vent their spleen over something they don’t agree with. It’s not like sending an email or posting on facebook is going to make a difference. The players may well feel that the gesture they make has no political connotations, however it would appear that many of the supporters do. Surely you are not so simple in your view that you think fans are booing because they see it as an easy way to be directly racist? Thankfully I just don’t believe you can get mass support for such a thing any more. As others have said let’s see a group photo of both teams shoulder to shoulder around a large boot it out banner before every match and get rid of this divisive gesture they are currently using.
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| Spiderman Horsham 08 Dec 20 10.28am |
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Originally posted by DanH
But again, times change. Players now have platforms. They are seen by millions and millions of people all over the world. They are role models who kids aspire to be. Why should they just be pawns for your entertainment just because they happen to be well paid compared to you? I really don't square how some on here are happy with the gesture being booed, yet can happily sit and watch Palace play. We had 7 black players in our starting line up on Sunday. Wilf has published a few times examples of some of the racist abuse he has to put up with. If this is a gesture that our players want to make, surely you should support that? Wonder how many on here would be brave enough to stand up in front of a room of our players and explain why they would boo it. Edited by DanH (08 Dec 2020 9.59am) How many on here have said they would boo it? The concensus appears to be a different gesture would be more appropriate but this obviously doesn’t suit your thinking, that posters on here are a bunch of racists. Surprised you would want to be associated with such a club Edited by Spiderman (08 Dec 2020 10.40am)
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| Spiderman Horsham 08 Dec 20 10.30am |
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Originally posted by DanH
But again, times change. Players now have platforms. They are seen by millions and millions of people all over the world. They are role models who kids aspire to be. Why should they just be pawns for your entertainment just because they happen to be well paid compared to you? I really don't square how some on here are happy with the gesture being booed, yet can happily sit and watch Palace play. We had 7 black players in our starting line up on Sunday. Wilf has published a few times examples of some of the racist abuse he has to put up with. If this is a gesture that our players want to make, surely you should support that? Wonder how many on here would be brave enough to stand up in front of a room of our players and explain why they would boo it. Edited by DanH (08 Dec 2020 9.59am) You have answered my previous question, thanks
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| Badger11 Beckenham 08 Dec 20 10.35am |
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Originally posted by DanH
But again, times change. Players now have platforms. They are seen by millions and millions of people all over the world. They are role models who kids aspire to be. Why should they just be pawns for your entertainment just because they happen to be well paid compared to you? I really don't square how some on here are happy with the gesture being booed, yet can happily sit and watch Palace play. We had 7 black players in our starting line up on Sunday. Wilf has published a few times examples of some of the racist abuse he has to put up with. If this is a gesture that our players want to make, surely you should support that? Wonder how many on here would be brave enough to stand up in front of a room of our players and explain why they would boo it. Edited by DanH (08 Dec 2020 9.59am) I don't know anyone who thinks racism is a good idea. I was over the moon that we scored 5 against WBA and that our greatest ever player is black doesn't bother me in the slightest. Booing BLM and the corporate hypocrisy of the PL and SKY and the BBC is not racist in my opinion. However we cannot know the motives for each person who booed and anyone who claims to know is a liar. Or as Elizabeth I said. "I would not open windows into men's souls."
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| Badger11 Beckenham 08 Dec 20 10.37am |
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Originally posted by DanH
But again, times change. Players now have platforms. They are seen by millions and millions of people all over the world. They are role models who kids aspire to be. Why should they just be pawns for your entertainment just because they happen to be well paid compared to you? I really don't square how some on here are happy with the gesture being booed, yet can happily sit and watch Palace play. We had 7 black players in our starting line up on Sunday. Wilf has published a few times examples of some of the racist abuse he has to put up with. If this is a gesture that our players want to make, surely you should support that? Wonder how many on here would be brave enough to stand up in front of a room of our players and explain why they would boo it. Edited by DanH (08 Dec 2020 9.59am) Happy to do so if the players agree to give me a fair hearing.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 20 10.45am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Nah, but I take some comfort in knowing he’d think you were a w*nker. You really have exposed your simplicity on this thread. So we now have to agree with a footballer because he plays for our team? I might have to stop responding to your posts. It's like arguing with a 10 year old. However, I did notice that you are smart enough to ignore posts that you can't dispute.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 08 Dec 20 11.09am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Not true it is making no difference. There is a renewed push on diversity and inclusion from employers. Senior black candidates are in particular demand and are in short supply. Why's that, do you think?
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| Stirlingsays 08 Dec 20 11.27am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The BBS is something to behold. Apart from 2-3 posters that posted this morning, they’re completely the opposite and would hold DanH aloft as some child or fluffy toy mascot. One in particular excused all of the incidents and actions in the protests and riots. Absolutely all of it. It was completely fine with him. But booing the kneeling linked to BLM is completely unacceptable. What they also do is let out in their posts their politics and the politics they’ve been influenced, if you didn’t already know, but this apparently isn’t political at all. Are most clubs split like this or they a unique type of spaffwomble? Actually Stirling posted the country’s polled opinion on taking the knee split by working class and middle class I think it was. Yep and those figures were at the start of the kneeling process and also included women....who while being wonderful comprise a minority of football going fans. It would be interesting to see a current poll that only included ticket holders. Strange that the 'one nation conservative' isn't over on the bbs complaining how it's a far left website. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2020 11.31am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 11.29am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Not true it is making no difference. There is a renewed push on diversity and inclusion from employers. Senior black candidates are in particular demand and are in short supply. I seriously doubt it’s got anything to do with football players getting on one knee before matches. Probably more to do with things that went on on social media this summer. People asking what they can do or how they were being biased without realising it, which is fine. The problem is you get the usual libtards that go full on trying to wedge this ideology into their work and hiring asap. What’s even more strange is that they can hire plenty of Asian people above white people anyway. If there aren’t black candidates right now, you can’t just turn the tap on for that and neither should you enforce it to happen by hiring people by identity over quality and suitability. It takes time. Isn’t there a trend of rising numbers of black university students with white students falling anyway? The next part is to sound the part for those that don’t.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 11.34am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
That's not what they want to hear or know though is it. Apparently, if you don't like taking the knee you're totally in the wrong. An unsurprising position from the thought police. That was BLM all summer unfortunately. Very divisive. It went further. Either you’re doing something or you’re racist. One or the other, simple as that. No such thing as having said the wrong thing or made a mistake or done something ‘racist’ which you may not have even known about. No, having done something racist or not doing something proactive to tackle racism somehow was replaced with being labelled as racist. You’ve got to hand it to BLM, they managed primary school playground logic to make millions of people fall in line. Quite remarkable, all helped by everyone off work already losing their sanity.
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Dec 20 11.34am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The BBS is something to behold. Apart from 2-3 posters that posted this morning, they’re completely the opposite and would hold DanH aloft as some child or fluffy toy mascot. One in particular excused all of the incidents and actions in the protests and riots. Absolutely all of it. It was completely fine with him. But booing the kneeling linked to BLM is completely unacceptable. What they also do is let out in their posts their politics and the politics they’ve been influenced, if you didn’t already know, but this apparently isn’t political at all. Are most clubs split like this or they a unique type of spaffwomble? Actually Stirling posted the country’s polled opinion on taking the knee split by working class and middle class I think it was. One of their most prominent posters actually has CPFC Antifa in his signature along with some damning words about capitalism, which for me essentially reads as an advertisement for "I failed at life". I get the impression most of them had it very tough growing up and never quite clicked with the real world, BBS should stand for 'Bullied Beyond Sanity".
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 11.37am |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
One of their most prominent posters actually has CPFC Antifa in his signature along with some damning words about capitalism, which for me essentially reads as an advertisement for "I failed at life". I get the impression most of them had it very tough growing up and never quite clicked with the real world, BBS should stand for 'Bullied Beyond Sanity". Yes I spotted that one and I think there’s probably a lot of truth with some of them on there. There are a few decent chaps on there and it’s a good place to read the dissection of CPFC accounts. But when it gets political it’s embarrassing and shows why and thankfully how we’re not a socialist country. Actually I don’t know why they don’t f*** off to where there is one. Probably waiting for England’s inevitable fall into socialism as more voters are imported into England. This one seems to have forgotten we aren’t America. Can’t be surprised from these dorks.... ‘I wonder why people might riot when the only time that the police get held to account for their actions, is when people are angry. I'm not here to condone rioting, but compared to the way that police killings of unarmed Black People in the US have been justified on the slightest pretences, its not surprising. 30 Years on from Rodney King, and the only way to get justice against the police is through rioting. Flag burning and Statue Destruction, who cares, burning flags and toppling statues is hardly on a par with state approved lethal violence. A flag is a symbol, you burn it as such, to display your anger at injustice. Statues are just stone, when what you're comparing them to is a history of crimes perpetrated on flesh.’ Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Dec 2020 11.45am)
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| DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 11.38am |
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I love how I'm the child yet you all have this weird obsession and rivalry with another Palace fans' message board.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The 'proud boy' point exposures the FAs and your whole position for the 'it is because I say it is' nonsense and double standard. That's why you avoided it. As for you point about the FA....both QPR and Coventry showed that basically the vast majority of footballers will do what their employers tell them to do. The idea that a footballer or official out there who doesn't agree with kneeling would be fine if they ignored kneeling and stood while the rest of their side knelt is ridiculous. They would be attacked by all the usual suspects and probably think they just don't need it. I didn't "avoid" the "proud boy" reference. I ignored it as irrelevant because it is. This is what you wrote:- "Can you imagine what these people would say if other groups started to adopt the gestures of say....the proud boys and then claimed the same thing" It's irrelevant because its demonstrably and unarguably untrue. Why? Because as has been repeatedly proven in this thread those who are "taking the knee" are NOT adopting the gesture of the political movement which calls itself BLM. It's not just me, and other posters here saying so. It's the people doing it, the players, their employers and their association. So that is a fact. This isn't Trumpland, even if you want it to be, where "alternative facts" are regarded as the truth in some quarters. If anyone disagreed with the gesture I am certain they would not, and indeed could not, be forced to comply. They might well cause an upset in the dressing room but that's another matter which, if they feel strongly enough about they will overcome.
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Dec 20 11.41am |
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Originally posted by DanH
I love how I'm the child yet you all have this weird obsession and rivalry with another Palace fans' message board. A general observation about a similar platform does not really equate to an obsession and rivalry, nice try for a dig though.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Dec 20 11.44am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
When the black rioters made the police take the knee before the rioters took the p1ss and BLM’s statements ruined any kind of innocent intentions. Only in minds like yours who want to see genuine protests ruined because they don't like them. The rest of us can easily discern the difference. Especially when it's this obvious.
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