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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Jan 24 10.43pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

imagine if Plumbers & carpenters needed to pander to all that inclusivity shyte ? just to install a new bathroom.

We are living in a new McCarthy Era. If you got the wrong ideology then you cannot be treated with the minimum of respect.

or imagine a brilliant muslim footballer not getting signed to a big club cos his opinions on Career-women are seen as not progressive ?

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Edited by PalazioVecchio (30 Jan 2024 7.53pm)

That would depend on whether the plumbers or carpenters worked for a big or a small organisation. If a big building business employed 100s of tradespeople they wouldn’t want trouble makers in their ranks so might try to determine attitudes before offering a job. Small firms less likely. The BBC is a big organisation.

What any footballers views on women are won’t be relevant in an all male environment. If there are female employees in responsible positions they might be.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 30 Jan 24 11.17pm

More licence payers money being put to good use.

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 30 Jan 24 11.35pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That would depend on whether the plumbers or carpenters worked for a big or a small organisation. If a big building business employed 100s of tradespeople they wouldn’t want trouble makers in their ranks so might try to determine attitudes before offering a job.

There are more Lefty troublemakers than other flavours of troublemakers. Antifa or Trade Unions.
and anyway, the definition of being professional is to leave your baggage on the front steps.

There are rabid Glasgow Celtic fans who work with Rangers fans......and they all manage to do an honest weeks work without stabbing each other. Behaviours speak louder than opinions.

If you want to argue that the Vatican got the one nonce from every little village......forming a city of nonces. Similarly the BBC is recruiting one Gary Linekar from every village.....forming an Empire of Linekars & greta Thunbergs.

Did Jimmy Savile have a sufficiently lefty outlook to pass muster ?

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Jan 24 6.48am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

More licence payers money being put to good use.

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The BBC stance is "nothing to see here guv" If that is the case why have they spent a fortune trying to withhold these emails and have now heavily redacted them.

The BBC was quite keen to see government minister WhatsApp messages, private diaries and so on, so why the reticence. If these emails are irrelevant publish and be dammed.

Or is the BBC worried that just like the WhatsApp messages they will contain sweary and biased comments?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Jan 24 9.00am

Originally posted by Badger11

The BBC stance is "nothing to see here guv" If that is the case why have they spent a fortune trying to withhold these emails and have now heavily redacted them.

The BBC was quite keen to see government minister WhatsApp messages, private diaries and so on, so why the reticence. If these emails are irrelevant publish and be dammed.

Or is the BBC worried that just like the WhatsApp messages they will contain sweary and biased comments?

If you have ever made FOI request, as I have, you will know that big organisations like the BBC get many of them and now have a large department devoted to answering them.

Answers are always heavily redacted to protect individuals from the release of personal information. My last request was to the VOA, took months to be answered and was so heavily redacted as to make no sense at all. When all I was trying to find out was how a particular valuation was handled it was very frustrating. There has to be a better way of finding out the facts behind actions.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Jan 24 9.07am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

There are more Lefty troublemakers than other flavours of troublemakers. Antifa or Trade Unions.
and anyway, the definition of being professional is to leave your baggage on the front steps.

There are rabid Glasgow Celtic fans who work with Rangers fans......and they all manage to do an honest weeks work without stabbing each other. Behaviours speak louder than opinions.

If you want to argue that the Vatican got the one nonce from every little village......forming a city of nonces. Similarly the BBC is recruiting one Gary Linekar from every village.....forming an Empire of Linekars & greta Thunbergs.

Did Jimmy Savile have a sufficiently lefty outlook to pass muster ?

I fail to see a shred of evidence for this claim other than your own personal perceptions.

I don’t think it matters whether those who might make trouble would do so because of a right, or a left, world view.

What matters is whether it is likely to upset the smooth operation of the business and that depends on its size.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Jan 24 9.14am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you have ever made FOI request, as I have, you will know that big organisations like the BBC get many of them and now have a large department devoted to answering them.

Answers are always heavily redacted to protect individuals from the release of personal information. My last request was to the VOA, took months to be answered and was so heavily redacted as to make no sense at all. When all I was trying to find out was how a particular valuation was handled it was very frustrating. There has to be a better way of finding out the facts behind actions.

Yeah the BBC could have stopped lying and prevaricating and done an honest investigation years ago but hey ho.

I think the courts are largely sympathetic to the Diana supporters and the recent comments from the judge directed at the BBC were quite critical.

It will take another court case but slowly this stuff will emerge and if the government is forced to turn over private communications I don't see why the BBC should be immune.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 31 Jan 24 9.41am


"BBC employees lied and used fake documents to obtain the interview with my mother. Made lurid and false claims about the royal family, which played on her fears and fuelled paranoia. Displayed woeful incompetence when investigating complaints and concerns about the programme," Prince William said.

Makes you proud that the BBC is such an honourable organisation.

 

eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 31 Jan 24 10.02am

Saw this a couple of days ago about how the lefty org will be funded in future, broadband fees have been muted & also a levy on income tax for all even if you dont watch or have a tv. 2027 is the year the tv tax finishes, have a read of this(im not an express nor newspaper reader) . . . [Link]

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Jan 24 10.58am

Originally posted by eagleman13

Saw this a couple of days ago about how the lefty org will be funded in future, broadband fees have been muted & also a levy on income tax for all even if you dont watch or have a tv. 2027 is the year the tv tax finishes, have a read of this(im not an express nor newspaper reader) . . . [Link]

So if they get their way they will remove the right of people to opt out, nice.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jan 24 11.11am

A Broadband tax would be manufactured consent for establishment media.

It's what you'd expect from them. The feel entitled to your money and patronage independent of how you regard them.

If you disagree with how they run these organisations they regard you as the problem. They do not want to compete in the market for your money.

They want you to have no voice and for them to dominate.

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 31 Jan 24 1.29pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A Broadband tax would be manufactured consent for establishment media.

It's what you'd expect from them. The feel entitled to your money and patronage independent of how you regard them.

If you disagree with how they run these organisations they regard you as the problem. They do not want to compete in the market for your money.

They want you to have no voice and for them to dominate.

The exact same happened in Ireland during the Penal Laws. Catholics were forced to pay for the upkeep of a Prod-Church they never attended.

That's what happens when you got conquered. The Norman Churches in 1067, the Spanish conquistadors in Mexico, the Soviets in Eastern Europe. And the taxes on kuffirs in some of the Muslim World today.

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jan 24 4.32pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

The exact same happened in Ireland during the Penal Laws. Catholics were forced to pay for the upkeep of a Prod-Church they never attended.

That's what happens when you got conquered. The Norman Churches in 1067, the Spanish conquistadors in Mexico, the Soviets in Eastern Europe. And the taxes on kuffirs in some of the Muslim World today.

Good point.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

JRW2 Flag Dulwich 31 Jan 24 4.52pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Answers are always heavily redacted to protect individuals from the release of personal information. My last request was to the VOA, took months to be answered and was so heavily redacted as to make no sense at all. When all I was trying to find out was how a particular valuation was handled it was very frustrating. There has to be a better way of finding out the facts behind actions.

Some years ago I was writing an article on the brewing industry and requested some FOI documents. They supplied most of what I wanted, but in a section on Guinness the company's name was consistently deleted, and appeared as "The UK's largest stout producer, xxxxxxxx". Presumably this was done for reasons of commercial confidentiality. But, for goodness sake, what sort of civil service plonker thought that anyone interested in the brewing industry wouldn't immediately know what company he was referring to? Perhaps he'd only just found out himself.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Jan 24 5.02pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Yeah the BBC could have stopped lying and prevaricating and done an honest investigation years ago but hey ho.

I think the courts are largely sympathetic to the Diana supporters and the recent comments from the judge directed at the BBC were quite critical.

It will take another court case but slowly this stuff will emerge and if the government is forced to turn over private communications I don't see why the BBC should be immune.

Did they lie or prevaricate? Or are those just perceptions shared with those directly affected?

Or were they were just as big a victim of deceit as everyone else?

Is there anything left to emerge? In which circumstances do you think the government is being forced to turn over private communications? The Covid enquiry perhaps? Whose terms of reference are different to those of a FOI request. The first demands, the second requests.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Jan 24 5.04pm

Originally posted by JRW2

Some years ago I was writing an article on the brewing industry and requested some FOI documents. They supplied most of what I wanted, but in a section on Guinness the company's name was consistently deleted, and appeared as "The UK's largest stout producer, xxxxxxxx". Presumably this was done for reasons of commercial confidentiality. But, for goodness sake, what sort of civil service plonker thought that anyone interested in the brewing industry wouldn't immediately know what company he was referring to? Perhaps he'd only just found out himself.

He wouldn’t think for a moment you would not know who it was. He was just covering his own back by complying with guidelines

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Jan 24 5.10pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


"BBC employees lied and used fake documents to obtain the interview with my mother. Made lurid and false claims about the royal family, which played on her fears and fuelled paranoia. Displayed woeful incompetence when investigating complaints and concerns about the programme," Prince William said.

Makes you proud that the BBC is such an honourable organisation.

One employee did. Acting alone and without authority.

The BBC apparently found it hard to believe this could have been done in the way it was. It isn’t their way. I expect they aren’t as trusting now.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 31 Jan 24 5.22pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

One employee did. Acting alone and without authority.

The BBC apparently found it hard to believe this could have been done in the way it was. It isn’t their way. I expect they aren’t as trusting now.

Not according to Tom Mangold.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Jan 24 5.33pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Did they lie or prevaricate? Or are those just perceptions shared with those directly affected?

Or were they were just as big a victim of deceit as everyone else?

Is there anything left to emerge? In which circumstances do you think the government is being forced to turn over private communications? The Covid enquiry perhaps? Whose terms of reference are different to those of a FOI request. The first demands, the second requests.

Zzzzzzzzz

 


One more point

JRW2 Flag Dulwich 01 Feb 24 9.32am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He wouldn’t think for a moment you would not know who it was. He was just covering his own back by complying with guidelines

Yes, you may well be right. Obsessive "covering his own back" certainly sounds like civil servant behaviour.

 

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