Ah, unfortunately for us the puypes are once again playin. This time with even more exclamation marks than usual.

Leaving the EU will make little difference to illegal immigration. If that was the core driver of your vote then good luck with that.

Haha.

So testy. As I laid out, I'm not saying for one minute all of what he's saying is true, but some of it has to have basis in fact considering it's drawn from multiple sources.

The 'experts' patter applies to both sides as an attempt to discredit reasoned argument and it fails every time. It's not a useful mechanism to debate, it is however a useful mechanism to deflect.

There's also no way you can definitively say remaining or leaving is either a benefit or negative at this stage. Let's see how it plays out – but whoever ends up wrong, they really should learn to accept it rather than simply using the Trump playbook of deflect and discredit wherever possible.

Also, love it when either side does the exact thing they get so annoyed at one another for doing. Try having an objective point of view rather than an emotive one, yeah?

Also where does anyone suggest we won't be trading with them? I can point you to plenty of sources that tell you how they will be trading with us, and in a no-deal scenario it certainly won't be better terms than we have now. That is a truth, deny it as much as you like.

Then we're back to my original point which was... global trade deals may not be as profitable as a certain group of individuals might have thought. Source? A guy who is no doubt putting a hefty remain slant on his contribution, but one who knows a lot more than most, if not all people chatting overly emotive, unsubstantiated dross on this thread.

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So Remainers are concerned that if an EU citizen does not register they could be deported.

So far nearly half of all EU citizens have received settled status and we haven't even left yet. They have at least 1 year more to do so, possibly more. The government has said if people miss the deadline and have a valid reason they will be treated sympathetically. The number of people who have had their request rejected is running at 0.5% which I think is pretty good although if you are a Remain politician it's a national disaster. It sounds like most of the rejections are due to incomplete or incorrectly filled out forms so just try again.

Meanwhile the politicians who are so exercised over the new "Windrush" can't be bothered to ask how many UK nationals living in the EU have been granted settled status in return. I'd like to know that so far all I have heard is the very few EU countries even have a scheme.

But what the heck as far as remain politicians are concerned its always the UK's fault each and every time, hang on there's a song for that

"Its never your fault..."

I’m no longer interested in reasoning with people who would still support remain. They can all go and phuck themselves

He's also a traitorous asshole who went to the EU for "legal advice". He's full of s***. You remoaners love your so called "experts" no matter how often they turn out to be completely wrong. Anyone at this stage who thinks staying in the EU is a net positive has just turned their brain off and are just running on ideology or fear of being proved wrong.

Who the hell do you think the EU are going to sell all their stuff to, that they are currently selling to us? Aliens?

Edited by W12 (10 Oct 2019 4.26pm)

Loyal to what?