Although at this rate nothing can be ruled out, I really don't see a second referendum happening.

If Boris manages to get a deal that is viable and Labour vote against it simply because of partisan reasons, then a lot of people will be majorly pissed off. Including me.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Agreed.

We have a hung parliament even if they can agree the question and even if the vote is clear result we still have a hung parliament. A 2nd referendum will not allow for the nuances required what if you want a clean Brexit and the options are just a Boris deal or Remain etc.

My hope is that Boris gets a deal which enough MPs decide is okay and then shortly after that we have a GE. I suspect that this is Corbyn's private view as well.

A post Brexit GE allows Labour to focus on anything but Brexit Corbyn will feel that he is stronger in the traditional politics and Remainers who might have voted Lib Dem may come back to the Labour party.

A 2nd referendum before a GE will just end up in the law courts with all sorts of people me included arguing we are being disenfranchised.

And what if the turnout is low but in favour of Brexit will the Remain side accept it? I very doubt it.

I shall judge Boris on the outcome of his deal, assuming he gets one, have we taken back control? If not then it's a no from.

One more point

That's what your hoping for more like.

And it does not end Brexit.

Let's assume we get this second referendum. If Remain is on the paper (which it will be) along with a Leave 'choice' (which wont be Leave in anyway, shape or form) then there will be a mass boycott. Farage has already said he will sit it out and go down the pub. It will be a farce.

But Remain will 'win' on probably less than a 50% turn out and with less than 17.4 million votes for Remain. It will be scoffed at.

We still have to have a GE sooner rather than later. And a Tory party that will stand on a manifesto promise of taking us out of the EU asap. It has no choice.

Brexit still will dominate our politics forever until we actually leave the EU. That is the only reset option.

Part of me would actually relish this farcical second referendum. It's proponents would be torn apart in interview after interview by a simple question.

'Why, after all the promises made about the June 23rd referendum should anybody believe you now about honouring the result of a 2nd?". Over and over again.

And why should they? That is the crux of here. The referendum process would be rendered utterly pointless. Futile beyond comprehension and dealing a massive blow to the wider faith in our system.

Yet these divs pushing for this option seem unable to grasp that simple yet glaringly obvious reality of what they are wishing for. Dumb f***ers. That is all I can say. Thick, retarded morons. Everyone of them.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

To you perhaps it does however the same logic applies as to Brexit, those who voted Remain, did you:

1. Vote for the status quo. This means the UK will continue to have a fractious relationship with the EU as we will be continually vetoing or requesting op outs as the direction of the EU is now quite clear.

2. Vote for full membership of the EU including euro and Schengen. I have no problem with this position I don't agree with it but it is logical if we are going to be in a club we should embrace all it's rules so hopefully being proactive we can then shape those rule.

3. Vote for something in the middle of the above.

The EU is continuing to expand in countries and in the control it exerts over its members. Anybody who thinks we can carry on as before is naive.

One more point

Do you understand how a single transferable vote system works?

In your example result, which I don't think is the most likely but let's run with it for the sake of argument, if either "deal" and "no deal" came top then "in" would be eliminated. The second preferences of those who voted "in" would then be counted to see which of the first two came top. As "deal" would almost certainly be the preference of most people who voted "in" it would be the final choice. Only if "no deal" got over 50%, or very close to 50%, before the second preference of "in" were counted would it succeed. I don't think that's very likely.

I think the same result is likely in just about every scenario, with the only other possibility being that "in" might succeed before the second preference of an eliminated "no deal" choice were transferred.

As the chances of "in" succeeding must though be higher in a straight binary choice between "no deal" and "in" I would have thought a 3 way choice with a much higher chance of a "deal" result would have a greater appeal to Brexiteers.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.