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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Jun 19 1.47pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you are happy for the team to sell it's best players and that makes you a good supporter?

How many games have you actually attended?

I’ve been a season ticket holder for yonks and I and those in charge will see the reasons for selling a right back in our financial and on field creative predicament.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 19 1.47pm

Originally posted by JohnB

Do you accept that Palace are running at a loss?

Do you accept that in order to survive as a club we will have to sell a player as we have outspent our income buying players like Sakho, Benteke etc.?

Do you accept that a supporter wanting their club to not go into administration is not a bad suuporter?

Do you accept that there is also the possibility that sometimes selling one excellent player for two good players can in fact improve an overall team rather than keeping the one excellent player?

I think we need to find other ways to save money.

You are contradicting yourself.

We cannot 'need' to sell and then buy two new players.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Jun 19 1.51pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think we need to find other ways to save money.

You are contradicting yourself.

We cannot 'need' to sell and then buy two new players.

If our current net spend budget is £10 mil and we sell AWB for £50 mil and sign two players for £15 mil each then we are doing the right thing being £30 mil up on net spend. Even if we came out £20 mil up on net spend we’d be better off than losing £35 mil plus whatever lost on net spend.

The two wages wouldn’t eat up that money and there’s a long term strategy to reduce it anyway.

I can’t believe this discussion. And from a conservative.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (13 Jun 2019 1.53pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Jun 19 1.54pm

I’m getting flashbacks to the sale of Sean Scannell and Darren Ambrose.

 


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PJH Flag Colchester 13 Jun 19 1.58pm

Lots of opinions on the AWB question. The fact is in effect we're circa £50mio better off than we were 18 months ago if we sell him, let's not forget he only got in the side cos Wardy got injured, would be have got a chance otherwise ? No one wants to sell our best players, that is obvious, but needs must and in the financial position we find ourselves we cannot look a gifthorse in the mouth...we simply have to take the cash if it's anywhere north of £50mio. Unpalatable maybe but that's unfortunately how any club outside the top 6 would see this. I'd be a lot more worried if Wilf goes bearing in mind everything seems to go through him. AWB we can replace, Wilf we cannot.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 19 1.59pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Hrolf is not for turning.

He’s a right back ffs in a side that doesn’t score at home, at a club that is so hamstrung with transfer funds we may as well watch on the laptop instead of going.

I'm bored now.

OK, let's see how it works out if we sell AWB and return to this at the end of the season.

If we have a good season then I will have no choice but to admit that we survived without him.
In the longer term, our status as a club will not improve and could plummet if we keep needing to sell our best. No club can continue to survive at the top level on that basis.

Fans who are happy to see AWB leave, like the tit currently on SKY sports from BOTN, clearly have the kind of ambition for the club that has kept us from ever winning anything ever.

It is imperative that the club builds a bigger stadium and expands its football revenue streams or we are sunk.

Selling the likes of AWB won't help there either.

 

Dannyh.V2 Flag Stone lickers 13 Jun 19 2.04pm

Opinions are like Assholes everyone has them, and some stink.

My opinion, is that is we will get labelled as a selling club and never be anything else. AWB is a young lad with the world (literally) at his feet. At this stage in his career I think going to a big club would stifle his development, but I'm guessing the big bucks are calling.

However as per every season we have been in the prem, we will be last off the blocks in the window, probably sell AWB for 50 million on deadline day, and leave ourselves short of a decent right back, or end up paying over the odds for a replacement or make do with Kelly at right back until the Jan window.

Typical Palace transfer activity awaits is my gut feeling. The media dept at Palace pushing Sortloth did nothing to quell my fears, nor did Luka turning down his offer.

Edited by Dannyh.V2 (13 Jun 2019 2.06pm)

 

Casual Flag Orpington 13 Jun 19 2.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm bored now.

OK, let's see how it works out if we sell AWB and return to this at the end of the season.

If we have a good season then I will have no choice but to admit that we survived without him.
In the longer term, our status as a club will not improve and could plummet if we keep needing to sell our best. No club can continue to survive at the top level on that basis.

Fans who are happy to see AWB leave, like the tit currently on SKY sports from BOTN, clearly have the kind of ambition for the club that has kept us from ever winning anything ever.

It is imperative that the club builds a bigger stadium and expands its football revenue streams or we are sunk.

Selling the likes of AWB won't help there either.

It’s not lacking in ambition to sell a full back with 50 games for us
For £50 million if the majority of it could be reinvested in areas more needed. I enjoy watching AWB, but I’d swap clapping his slide tackles for a load more goals.
If we keep him, great. If we get offered a fortune, would be best for him and us if he goes.

 

PJH Flag Colchester 13 Jun 19 2.12pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

Opinions are like Assholes everyone has them, and some stink.

My opinion, is that is we will get labelled as a selling club and never be anything else. AWB is a young lad with the world (literally) at his feet. At this stage in his career I think going to a big club would stifle his development, but I'm guessing the big bucks are calling.

However as per every season we have been in the prem, we will be last off the blocks in the window, probably sell AWB for 50 million on deadline day, and leave ourselves short of a decent right back, or end up paying over the odds for a replacement or make do with Kelly at right back until the Jan window.

Typical Palace transfer activity awaits is my gut feeling. The media dept at Palace pushing Sortloth did nothing to quell my fears, nor did Luka turning down his offer.

Edited by Dannyh.V2 (13 Jun 2019 2.06pm)

Very valid comments, but we're not seen as the selling club that we used to be. We have no reason to sell to anyone outside the top 6 and if we do it'll only be for serious wedge. In days gone by (and not long ago) if someone like Everton for example wanted a Palace player, we'd have to sell him. Now we'd tell them to f*** off. Progress of sorts !

 

The Beger Flag Croydon 13 Jun 19 2.19pm

Originally posted by JohnB

Do you accept that Palace are running at a loss?

Looking at the accounts, we made a loss, 2017-18, because our net transfer spend was £50. 2018-19 it should be in the region of £10.

Moreover, we have released more players, permanently, than taken on, 8 out, to 4 in. Also, during the last season more players went out on loan to than that came, 5 against 3. This does not include academy players loaned out or released.

Apart from 1 or 2 pay increases, (Wilf) I would have thought our wage bill has actually decreased.

This summer 3 players have already gone, with 1 more likely, and 2 or 3 loan players. 5 loanees do return, buts that's it, so I would expect our wage bill to have lowered further.

Our income 2017-18 was 150m but spent 184m, (50m net spend on transfers) hence the 34m loss. But deduct 40m from 184, we have, 144m, a profit or 6m if our income remained the same. Given a potential 5% increase in revenue, as seen in 2017-18, then our revenue was 157m. Since we had a longer cup run, I think that is possible. Now, we may still be paying delayed transfer fees, but I have no way of calculating that.

So 157m minus 144m, a profit of 13.5m, similar to the season before last.

 


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JohnB Flag 13 Jun 19 2.29pm

Originally posted by The Beger

Looking at the accounts, we made a loss, 2017-18, because our net transfer spend was £50. 2018-19 it should be in the region of £10.

Moreover, we have released more players, permanently, than taken on, 8 out, to 4 in. Also, during the last season more players went out on loan to than that came, 5 against 3. This does not include academy players loaned out or released.

Apart from 1 or 2 pay increases, (Wilf) I would have thought our wage bill has actually decreased.

This summer 3 players have already gone, with 1 more likely, and 2 or 3 loan players. 5 loanees do return, buts that's it, so I would expect our wage bill to have lowered further.

Our income 2017-18 was 150m but spent 184m, (50m net spend on transfers) hence the 34m loss. But deduct 40m from 184, we have, 144m, a profit or 6m if our income remained the same. Given a potential 5% increase in revenue, as seen in 2017-18, then our revenue was 157m. Since we had a longer cup run, I think that is possible. Now, we may still be paying delayed transfer fees, but I have no way of calculating that.

So 157m minus 144m, a profit of 13.5m, similar to the season before last.

As explained before, the net transfer spend was £40m but only about £10 of that would have been recognised in those accounts as the value is ammortised over the duration of a contract. We are not running at a profit and are being propped up by director loans.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 19 3.50pm

Originally posted by Casual

It’s not lacking in ambition to sell a full back with 50 games for us
For £50 million if the majority of it could be reinvested in areas more needed. I enjoy watching AWB, but I’d swap clapping his slide tackles for a load more goals.
If we keep him, great. If we get offered a fortune, would be best for him and us if he goes.

Like what?

 

pssguy Flag 13 Jun 19 3.51pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A daft comparison.

Both those clubs can attract quality replacements.
Both those players had a desire to play for a specific club.

Not at all. The money could easily be reinvested to buy players that could avoid relegation (which you were prophesying) and ,if wisely done, improve our position

 

pssguy Flag 13 Jun 19 3.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you are happy for the team to sell it's best players and that makes you a good supporter?

How many games have you actually attended?

For someone who complains about words being put into your mouth, you are quite the hypocrite

No idea how many games. I started watching when they were in Division 2 in the 1960's

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 19 3.56pm

Originally posted by pssguy

For someone who complains about words being put into your mouth, you are quite the hypocrite

No idea how many games. I started watching when they were in Division 2 in the 1960's

And that is obviously where you think we belong.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 19 4.01pm

Originally posted by pssguy

Not at all. The money could easily be reinvested to buy players that could avoid relegation (which you were prophesying) and ,if wisely done, improve our position

Wow. How many times?

If we need to sell then the money won't be invested in players.
Even if it was, How many players do you think we can attract who would be of that standard?

We would need another right back for starters.

This club does not need profit. It needs players.

 

pssguy Flag 13 Jun 19 4.17pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And that is obviously where you think we belong.

There you go. Words in the mouth again

You really are flailing because what I understand is your case - that not developing and retaining our home grown talent is a precursor to relegation - just has no basis in facts

In the past six years, we have finished between 11th and 15th every year with hardly any use of home-grown players. I'm sure you can enlighten me but who else is there other than Wan-Bissaka that hasn't been purchased? And he has played effectively one season

We have attracted international players - albeit at high prices and wages - and are currently just 9th favourite to be relegated

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 19 4.26pm

Originally posted by pssguy

There you go. Words in the mouth again

You really are flailing because what I understand is your case - that not developing and retaining our home grown talent is a precursor to relegation - just has no basis in facts

In the past six years, we have finished between 11th and 15th every year with hardly any use of home-grown players. I'm sure you can enlighten me but who else is there other than Wan-Bissaka that hasn't been purchased? And he has played effectively one season

We have attracted international players - albeit at high prices and wages - and are currently just 9th favourite to be relegated

OK. Let's cut through the crap.

Are you seriously telling me that you would rather have money in the bank than seeing one of the best talents we have produced turn out in a Palace shirt?

A yes or no answer.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2019 4.27pm)

 

Southampton_Eagle Flag At the after party 13 Jun 19 4.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Wow. How many times?

If we need to sell then the money won't be invested in players.
Even if it was, How many players do you think we can attract who would be of that standard?

We would need another right back for starters.

This club does not need profit. It needs players.

Wan-Bissaka wants to go.

If you're not happy, harrass him on Twitter instead of being a sulky girlie on here.

 

EAGLE DAVIES Flag 13 Jun 19 4.56pm

Right back is the easiest position to replace on the pitch. As much as I don't want to see him go, if he does for circa £50m it is quite likely we would be able to:

Sign a new right back
Sign Maupay from Brentford
Sign Watkins from Brentford
Offer Luka a better deal
Keep Wilf

In my opinion this would make us stronger and at the end of the day that is what I want see. So, if losing AWB means that, I'm all for it. Can we do all of the above without selling him? I don't know.

 

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