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The moaning about Parish/Hodgson/Freedman thread
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 Painter  Croydon 30 Jul 19 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Who paid St John’s Ambulance? Not Parish or CPFC 2010. It was the BBS members. That is very commendable. Not being fully conversant with the legalities of clubs in administration. In simple terms a club goes into administration when they don’t have the cash to continue trading. An administrator is then appointed to sell the club for the highest value they can with creditors awaiting anything left after customs and excise being paid. I fail to see how CPFC2010 can be held responsible for the debts of another company, whilst the owner of said previous company is swanning around living the high life and pontificating on radio as to how clubs should run their business. It doesn’t make sense.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Jul 19 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
That is very commendable. Not being fully conversant with the legalities of clubs in administration. In simple terms a club goes into administration when they don’t have the cash to continue trading. An administrator is then appointed to sell the club for the highest value they can with creditors awaiting anything left after customs and excise being paid. I fail to see how CPFC2010 can be held responsible for the debts of another company, whilst the owner of said previous company is swanning around living the high life and pontificating on radio as to how clubs should run their business. It doesn’t make sense. We know that. Who paid St John’s Ambulance?
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| Dancer Cat Farnborough 30 Jul 19 2.06pm |
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Originally posted by est1905
The reason Alardyce didn't take a job for 6 months is because he knew he'd look really bad after just saying he has retired and had enough. Secondly it took Everton 6 months to come forward. If they'd offered him the job a month after leaving Palace he'd have taken it. Its YOU thats an idiot if you cannot see that. Pulis record as a manager is a water treader. He didn't spend a fortune because it was never given to him to spend, doesn't stop him having his eye to the main chance though. he proved that by trying to con Parish out of a bonus he did not deserve (because he had every intention of leaving and the bonus was contactually linked to future commitment to the club). I can't stand the bloke & how disrespectful he was to our club, that said - IMHO it's the best piece of short term football management I've ever seen. He deserved his dosh! He just didn't want to work with SP & realised he wasn't contractually entitled to it - so tried to be sneaky. In fact, the whole Pulis episode highlights SP's character - clearly won't be bullied by managers - which, in turn, a lot of managers don't like. We aren't unique - think Ashley & Benitez
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| Dannyh.V2 Stone lickers 30 Jul 19 2.06pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I have no desire to engage in a discussion regarding the reasons for the departures of Pulis and Allardyce. All I would add is that it would be perhaps a tad churlish not to give them some credit for saving us from the dreaded drop. When Allardyce arrived we were 17th after 17 games with just 15 pts on the board and we finished in 14th place.It certainly wasn't looking good for us after that horrific 0-4 defeat to Sunderland ! Hodgson of course performed miracles in keeping us up last season after that dastardly start so credit to him as well.
So why was that exactly ....I'll wait
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| chris123 hove actually 30 Jul 19 3.53pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
That is very commendable. Not being fully conversant with the legalities of clubs in administration. In simple terms a club goes into administration when they don’t have the cash to continue trading. An administrator is then appointed to sell the club for the highest value they can with creditors awaiting anything left after customs and excise being paid. I fail to see how CPFC2010 can be held responsible for the debts of another company, whilst the owner of said previous company is swanning around living the high life and pontificating on radio as to how clubs should run their business. It doesn’t make sense. I remember discussions being along the lines that as a list of creditors had been published by the administator prior to a creditors vote - certain creditors stood out. St Johns Ambulence, small local suppliers and unpaid academy players digs providers were among that group. I'd forgotten that St John's got sorted by fans.
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 30 Jul 19 4.32pm |
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None of us know which creditors were paid and which weren't. The lists that were published included all the creditors at the time. I know quite a bit about administration and there are lots of companies that still get paid (a percentage or in full) when the new company needs their services. I chipped in with the St John's Ambulance bill but it's quite possible that they would have been paid in full anyway as they are would have been needed for the new company to work. In the same way that season tickets were still issued when (legally) the new club had no obligation to do so.
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| chris123 hove actually 30 Jul 19 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by topcat
None of us know which creditors were paid and which weren't. The lists that were published included all the creditors at the time. I know quite a bit about administration and there are lots of companies that still get paid (a percentage or in full) when the new company needs their services. I chipped in with the St John's Ambulance bill but it's quite possible that they would have been paid in full anyway as they are would have been needed for the new company to work. In the same way that season tickets were still issued when (legally) the new club had no obligation to do so. There was a schedule issued by Brendan Guilfoyle the administrator, that listed all the creditors prior to a vote on accepting the Company Voluntary Arrangement.
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| est1905 30 Jul 19 6.06pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I have no desire to engage in a discussion regarding the reasons for the departures of Pulis and Allardyce. All I would add is that it would be perhaps a tad churlish not to give them some credit for saving us from the dreaded drop. When Allardyce arrived we were 17th after 17 games with just 15 pts on the board and we finished in 14th place.It certainly wasn't looking good for us after that horrific 0-4 defeat to Sunderland ! Hodgson of course performed miracles in keeping us up last season after that dastardly start so credit to him as well.
Willo, BOTH deserve credit and thanks for their efforts while in Palace's employment. I did believe we would go down until Alardyce came in and accept he did a great job. But that has nothing to do with what I am talking about which is reasons for departure and behaviour after they left.
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| est1905 30 Jul 19 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I wonder how many times we've all gone over this in the past. You posted that "trying to con Parish out of a bonus he did not deserve" which isn't true as he did deserve it as he saved us from the relegation that everyone of us thought was going to happen. If you had posted that he tried to take a bonus that he wasn't contractually entitled to" it would have been more truthful. Err, he didn't deserve it though did he because he signed a contract that stated he would recieve a 2m bonus if 1. Palace stayed in the division and 2. Pulis stayed with Palace (at least until the start of the following season).
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| est1905 30 Jul 19 6.13pm |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
Cue the "a court found in our favour" and "Parish showed no one pushes Palace around" comments. This post smacks of 'it might be what happened but I dont agree with it'
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| Midlands Eagle 30 Jul 19 7.34pm |
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Originally posted by est1905
Err, he didn't deserve it though did he because he signed a contract that stated he would recieve a 2m bonus if 1. Palace stayed in the division and 2. Pulis stayed with Palace (at least until the start of the following season). I think that you need to look up the meaning of the word "deserve." Pulis deserved every penny of his bonus as not only did he ensure Premiership football for us but he also saved Parish a shedload of money in the process. He may well not have fulfilled his contractual obligations which is a different matter
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| rollercoaster Cornwall 30 Jul 19 7.59pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I think that you need to look up the meaning of the word "deserve." Pulis deserved every penny of his bonus as not only did he ensure Premiership football for us but he also saved Parish a shedload of money in the process. He may well not have fulfilled his contractual obligations which is a different matter
Many on here want the club to be more savvy with its money, I don't think giving away cash unnecessarily is what any of us want to see.
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