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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards robdave2k Flag 06 Nov 19 12.19pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

These didn't affect the self employed but those employed by their own limited company and closed loopholes that allowed them to pay far less tax than an employed person on PAYE.

The system is still abused by too many people and you only have to look at the insolvency section of UK Business Forums to see the number of people saying that they had spent the tax money and asking how they could close the company down and set up another one

Caught an awful lot of public sector workers - and the reason a lot of them were PSC's (limited company) is that the person engaging them wouldn't take a sole trader.

I agree completely regarding laws around phoenixing though- should be massively tightened but from a personal point of view I run as a limited company for reasons other than tax.

That said - doesn't make the nigh on 10% tax hike any more palatable, especially when you consider I'm an unpaid tax collector for HMRC and now responsible for pensions too.

 

CrazyBadger Flag Ware 06 Nov 19 2.07pm

Originally posted by Willo

People are totally confused about their policy.

We hear about them going to get this wonderful new deal with the EU which they will put to a confirmatory referendum but then vote against their deal !!!

And we hear about their deal is going to include staying in the 'Customs Union' and 'Single Market' but this is in effect remaining in the EU.So the confirmatory referendum will ask "Remain or Remain" !!!!

Furthermore any deal/referendum will be in about SIX months !! Dither and delay.


Edited by Willo (06 Nov 2019 11.45am)

Don't get me Started on confusing, the Tory's started this brexit B*llsh*t, and the referendum campaign was one of the most confusing in history, full of grandiose promises which they had no idea if they could achieve. I still don't actually know if the current deal hits any of these promises.

But I don't think people are confused by Labours stance per se. It's just more tedious mudslinging from the one party to another - They're all the same.
I think that if Labour do gain control, they are going to want to put a Deal in place that is their deal. I get that, they're hardly going to be the ones to implement another parties deal. I do think using the 'We can get a much better deal' argument is rather defamatory to the efforts of May/BJ over the past 3 years. Quite why they think they can promise a better deal is beyond me.
If they manage it, well done. But you can guarantee that they'll sell their 'deal' as 'much better' than Mays or BJs. Even if it isn't.
Then they've said they'll let the country decide if it's worth leaving for.
It's my view that this is the best way forward.

As for them voting against their own deal, have no illusions; before this whole Brexit shenanigans, EVERY party (Farage's aside) would have voted against leaving the EU. May was a Remainer FFS. and BJ has said in the past that he didn't think that a British government would leave the Single Market.

The referendum opposed the view of the majority of MPs. Now there are a minority of MPs who either genuinely agree with leaving the EU or are doing so to uphold the democratic vote, regardless of their views on the matter (which tbf is their job) - all of whom have now been given a job by BJ.
He can't pass a deal because none of those voting on it want to leave the EU in the first place.

 


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W12 06 Nov 19 2.45pm

If the Peterborough by election is anything to go by then Labour can win the election with 10% support

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Nov 19 2.58pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Don't get me Started on confusing, the Tory's started this brexit B*llsh*t, and the referendum campaign was one of the most confusing in history, full of grandiose promises which they had no idea if they could achieve. I still don't actually know if the current deal hits any of these promises.

But I don't think people are confused by Labours stance per se. It's just more tedious mudslinging from the one party to another - They're all the same.
I think that if Labour do gain control, they are going to want to put a Deal in place that is their deal. I get that, they're hardly going to be the ones to implement another parties deal. I do think using the 'We can get a much better deal' argument is rather defamatory to the efforts of May/BJ over the past 3 years. Quite why they think they can promise a better deal is beyond me.
If they manage it, well done. But you can guarantee that they'll sell their 'deal' as 'much better' than Mays or BJs. Even if it isn't.
Then they've said they'll let the country decide if it's worth leaving for.
It's my view that this is the best way forward.

As for them voting against their own deal, have no illusions; before this whole Brexit shenanigans, EVERY party (Farage's aside) would have voted against leaving the EU. May was a Remainer FFS. and BJ has said in the past that he didn't think that a British government would leave the Single Market.

The referendum opposed the view of the majority of MPs. Now there are a minority of MPs who either genuinely agree with leaving the EU or are doing so to uphold the democratic vote, regardless of their views on the matter (which tbf is their job) - all of whom have now been given a job by BJ.
He can't pass a deal because none of those voting on it want to leave the EU in the first place.

With respect, Brexit is as a direct result of 1 Million more people voting to leave than remain and it is only because of a 'Hung Parliament' that Brexit has not been delivered.

Furthermore there wasn't a Tory referendum campaign, there was a Leave and Remain campaign and to-date both Leavers and Remainers are accusing the other 'Camp' of claims and statements in negative terms.

Regards "Voting against their deal" it does sound rather ridiculous Labour stating that they could negotiate a far better deal than has been negotiated thus far yet would then vote against it!!!!

I come from the ERG "Spartan" wing of the Conservative Party and whilst Johnson's deal is not Valhalla, in the interests of finally getting Brexit done I would support it in the lobby if I was in the Commons.

Time will tell how this will all play out during the election campaign.

I'm afraid I shall be exceedingly busy during the election campaign so alas my contributions on HOL will be limited, probably much to the delight of many on here! Please forgive me if I fail to respond to posts which request my opinion as in all probability I will not have viewed it due to time constraints.

Edited by Willo (06 Nov 2019 3.04pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Nov 19 3.06pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Don't get me Started on confusing, the Tory's started this brexit B*llsh*t, and the referendum campaign was one of the most confusing in history, full of grandiose promises which they had no idea if they could achieve. I still don't actually know if the current deal hits any of these promises.

But I don't think people are confused by Labours stance per se. It's just more tedious mudslinging from the one party to another - They're all the same.
I think that if Labour do gain control, they are going to want to put a Deal in place that is their deal. I get that, they're hardly going to be the ones to implement another parties deal. I do think using the 'We can get a much better deal' argument is rather defamatory to the efforts of May/BJ over the past 3 years. Quite why they think they can promise a better deal is beyond me.
If they manage it, well done. But you can guarantee that they'll sell their 'deal' as 'much better' than Mays or BJs. Even if it isn't.
Then they've said they'll let the country decide if it's worth leaving for.
It's my view that this is the best way forward.

As for them voting against their own deal, have no illusions; before this whole Brexit shenanigans, EVERY party (Farage's aside) would have voted against leaving the EU. May was a Remainer FFS. and BJ has said in the past that he didn't think that a British government would leave the Single Market.

The referendum opposed the view of the majority of MPs. Now there are a minority of MPs who either genuinely agree with leaving the EU or are doing so to uphold the democratic vote, regardless of their views on the matter (which tbf is their job) - all of whom have now been given a job by BJ.
He can't pass a deal because none of those voting on it want to leave the EU in the first place.

Yes, but Parliament voted to defer the decision to the public and now the Remainers in that Parliament now want to pretend that it didn't happen.

Labour's manipulation of this situation has been disgraceful.


 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Nov 19 3.09pm

Two really bad days for the tories:-

The latest with the Welsh Secretary resigning but standing, what message does that send.

Wales could well be following N.Ireland and Scotland out of the UK in the next few years.

Add in Rees-Mogg and Grenfell, doctoring Starmer's video, government ads banned for dishonesty, usual false brexit time-frames.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Nov 19 3.12pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Don't get me Started on confusing, the Tory's started this brexit B*llsh*t, and the referendum campaign was one of the most confusing in history, full of grandiose promises which they had no idea if they could achieve. I still don't actually know if the current deal hits any of these promises.

But I don't think people are confused by Labours stance per se. It's just more tedious mudslinging from the one party to another - They're all the same.
I think that if Labour do gain control, they are going to want to put a Deal in place that is their deal. I get that, they're hardly going to be the ones to implement another parties deal. I do think using the 'We can get a much better deal' argument is rather defamatory to the efforts of May/BJ over the past 3 years. Quite why they think they can promise a better deal is beyond me.
If they manage it, well done. But you can guarantee that they'll sell their 'deal' as 'much better' than Mays or BJs. Even if it isn't.
Then they've said they'll let the country decide if it's worth leaving for.
It's my view that this is the best way forward.

As for them voting against their own deal, have no illusions; before this whole Brexit shenanigans, EVERY party (Farage's aside) would have voted against leaving the EU. May was a Remainer FFS. and BJ has said in the past that he didn't think that a British government would leave the Single Market.

The referendum opposed the view of the majority of MPs. Now there are a minority of MPs who either genuinely agree with leaving the EU or are doing so to uphold the democratic vote, regardless of their views on the matter (which tbf is their job) - all of whom have now been given a job by BJ.
He can't pass a deal because none of those voting on it want to leave the EU in the first place.

Keir Starmer said on the radio yesterday that Jeremy Corbyn would vote against leaving, for the record that is the first time I've heard that.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Nov 19 3.13pm

Originally posted by chris123

Keir Starmer said on the radio yesterday that Jeremy Corbyn would vote against leaving, for the record that is the first time I've heard that.

Why, Corbyn voted remain and I have heard him say it several times.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 06 Nov 19 3.16pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Two really bad days for the tories:-

The latest with the Welsh Secretary resigning but standing, what message does that send.

Wales could well be following N.Ireland and Scotland out of the UK in the next few years.

Add in Rees-Mogg and Grenfell, doctoring Starmer's video, government ads banned for dishonesty, usual false brexit time-frames.


Steely you're so desperate it's almost funny.

You don't seem to get it.....it doesn't matter what happens in the political bubble.

Johnson has that likeability factor....he tends to win popularity votes and that's essentially what an election is.....especially up against someone like Corbyn.

All the little old ladies and normies are going to vote for blondie.

And you're getting Johnsoned old boy.....just get some lube and learn to enjoy the experience.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Nov 19 3.19pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Why, Corbyn voted remain and I have heard him say it several times.

Yeah....spends twenty years in the anti EU lobby voting against it every time...Literally had the remain camp pulling their hair out during the referendum.....But Steely thinks that Corbyn can't tell a lie when he's on his own with the ballot paper.

It's almost innocent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2019 3.19pm)

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Nov 19 3.28pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Why, Corbyn voted remain and I have heard him say it several times.

Well he hasn't done much to stop leaving and Tony Benn was always ante EU.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Nov 19 3.31pm

Corbyn voted remain in the 2016 referendum he has said so often.

Doesn't make him an elderly psycho HOL headcase about brexit, he may be indifferent and consider other matters far more important.

If he had a take-away coffee in the co-op people would call him a marxist loony.


 

chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Nov 19 4.10pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Corbyn voted remain in the 2016 referendum he has said so often.

Doesn't make him an elderly psycho HOL headcase about brexit, he may be indifferent and consider other matters far more important.

If he had a take-away coffee in the co-op people would call him a marxist loony.


Like defence?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 06 Nov 19 4.33pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Corbyn voted remain in the 2016 referendum he has said so often.

Doesn't make him an elderly psycho HOL headcase about brexit, he may be indifferent and consider other matters far more important.

If he had a take-away coffee in the co-op people would call him a marxist loony.

Only his friends.

 


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becky Flag over the moon 06 Nov 19 4.43pm

One small. petty blow for democracy by one fat, old, disgruntled woman.......

The Lib-Dem leafleteer turned up just now with their election bumpf for the Somerton & Frome candidate and I'm afraid I took great (if childish) delight in tearing his leaflet in half in front of his face whilst explaining that since that was what they propose to do with my brexit vote, they can't expect to be treated any differently.

Shooting the messenger? Definitely!

Satisfying? O Yes!

 


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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 06 Nov 19 4.47pm

I really cant understand how people say the referendum was confusing. Yes or no answer with the best or worse either decision entails. It's not or wasn’t quantum physics.
I suppose the maxim of " we can only move forward at the pace of our slowest member" applies.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Nov 19 4.58pm

Originally posted by becky

One small. petty blow for democracy by one fat, old, disgruntled woman.......

The Lib-Dem leafleteer turned up just now with their election bumpf for the Somerton & Frome candidate and I'm afraid I took great (if childish) delight in tearing his leaflet in half in front of his face whilst explaining that since that was what they propose to do with my brexit vote, they can't expect to be treated any differently.

Shooting the messenger? Definitely!

Satisfying? O Yes!

I hope you'll recycle in an appropriate way!

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Nov 19 5.12pm

Originally posted by becky

One small. petty blow for democracy by one fat, old, disgruntled woman.......

The Lib-Dem leafleteer turned up just now with their election bumpf for the Somerton & Frome candidate and I'm afraid I took great (if childish) delight in tearing his leaflet in half in front of his face whilst explaining that since that was what they propose to do with my brexit vote, they can't expect to be treated any differently.

Shooting the messenger? Definitely!

Even at your age, trying to win friends and influence people

Satisfying? O Yes!

Better lock up well tonight, those liberal democrats don't take kindly to rude old bats.

 

becky Flag over the moon 06 Nov 19 5.16pm

Originally posted by chris123

I hope you'll recycle in an appropriate way!

Yes, I'm having any left still useful given for transplant and the rest cremated and scattered at sea.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Nov 19 6.57pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Better lock up well tonight, those liberal democrats don't take kindly to rude old bats.

The only bats are the ones following that witch thornberry.

 

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