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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 16 Aug 23 12.49pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why am I not surprised at this response?

Actually it isn’t like it at all. The piper (literally) in the cake case is the baker and the one paying them is the customer. It would be like the performer in this case accepting the booking but then not turning up because they didn’t like some of the messages on the posters outside.

Why are we not surprised by your gaslighting response.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Aug 23 1.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So long as they stay with the law.

Many things considered prejudice or discriminatory are unlawful.

We'll see if they stayed within the law if he sues them.

[Link]

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Aug 23 1.29pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have never understood why people get so upset over things like this.

No one is suggesting this guy cannot hold, express or write scripts about his opinions.

All they are doing is saying they don’t want them heard in their space. Other spaces are available, including the free ones available to everyone where you can say whatever you like, so long as you stay within the law.

The same applies to social media platforms which remove things they don’t want to be associated with. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

It would be both illogical and totally unreasonable for it to be unlawful for any individual or business to refuse to book, or publish, someone, or something, that in their opinion could harm them.

Opinions do matter. Including those of the owners of spaces.

I've never understood why people get so upset by others not having the Covid vaccine but some people are just intolerant of any opinion other than their own.

 

Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 16 Aug 23 2.56pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why am I not surprised at this response?

Actually it isn’t like it at all. The piper (literally) in the cake case is the baker and the one paying them is the customer. It would be like the performer in this case accepting the booking but then not turning up because they didn’t like some of the messages on the posters outside.

…or an author turning up to a booking and walking out when they didn’t like one of the sponsors…

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 23 3.41pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

We'll see if they stayed within the law if he sues them.

[Link]

We will. To my mind, the event described in the link has a different reasoning behind the refusal and therefore the legal advice could well have been that to refuse on that basis was discriminatory.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 23 3.46pm

Originally posted by YT

Oh but you DO understand, but for reasons best known to yourself you get off on being deliberately obtuse. If you read the article you would see a legal opinion that the cancellation is likely to constitute unlawful discrimination. Surely that is reason enough to be upset...or do you like to see people discriminated against?

Edited by YT (16 Aug 2023 11.27am)

That I understand that people sometimes think some people have rights, when they don't, whilst others they don't think have rights, do, is true.

That someone offers a legal opinion doesn't mean they are correct either. Nevertheless, the law can sometimes be an ass, so nothing would surprise me.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 23 3.49pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I've never understood why people get so upset by others not having the Covid vaccine but some people are just intolerant of any opinion other than their own.

When the health and safety of others is impacted by selfish behaviour I think everyone ought to be upset.

When only personal pride is impacted, not so.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 16 Aug 23 3.51pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When the health and safety of others is impacted by selfish behaviour I think everyone ought to be upset.

When only personal pride is impacted, not so.

What like landlords not servicing their gas appliances?

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Aug 23 3.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When the health and safety of others is impacted by selfish behaviour I think everyone ought to be upset.

When only personal pride is impacted, not so.

Upset that an injection which is no longer available for most and doesn't stop transmission wasn't wanted by some people. Sure. Nothing selfish about that.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Aug 23 3.59pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We will. To my mind, the event described in the link has a different reasoning behind the refusal and therefore the legal advice could well have been that to refuse on that basis was discriminatory.

The show has been cancelled because some don't agree with Linehan's opinion. How is that anything other than discriminatory?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 23 7.31pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Upset that an injection which is no longer available for most and doesn't stop transmission wasn't wanted by some people. Sure. Nothing selfish about that.

I am not concerned about who needs boosters. That’s a decision for the professionals to make at this stage of the pandemic.

My objections were to those who could and should have participated in our common effort to contain the virus, after we, and others around the world had given so much of our time, freedom and national wealth to enable the development of vaccines. That they took personal decisions, in my view based on misinformation and scare stories, was selfish. Sometimes it’s necessary to put personal reservations aside in the national interest. Nevertheless, as it’s someone’s right to be selfish I was never in favour of compulsion.

What I argued for were the rights of the vaccinated to know who was not vaccinated by introducing vaccine passports. Venues could then decide to segregate people if they decided it was in their interests to do so and should they not then the vaccinated could decide whether to enter or not. Such arrangements were made for air travel, and I see no reason why it could not have been extended.

That ultimately it transpired that the variants did not completely stop transmissions is beside the point. The vaccines reduced severe disease and that alone was important as it eased the pressures on the health service. That lesser symptoms could also mitigate the level, or severity, of transmission is another consideration.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 23 7.38pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The show has been cancelled because some don't agree with Linehan's opinion. How is that anything other than discriminatory?

The show has been cancelled because the owner was unaware of who was going to perform. When he heard he decided it was unsuitable for his venue.

His venue. His decision. If he had decided to discriminate on illegal grounds then he could have been in difficulties. He didn’t. He decided the act wasn’t suitable, not because the performer had the wrong colour skin, sexuality or disability.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Aug 23 7.38pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not concerned about who needs boosters. That’s a decision for the professionals to make at this stage of the pandemic.

My objections were to those who could and should have participated in our common effort to contain the virus, after we, and others around the world had given so much of our time, freedom and national wealth to enable the development of vaccines. That they took personal decisions, in my view based on misinformation and scare stories, was selfish. Sometimes it’s necessary to put personal reservations aside in the national interest. Nevertheless, as it’s someone’s right to be selfish I was never in favour of compulsion.

What I argued for were the rights of the vaccinated to know who was not vaccinated by introducing vaccine passports. Venues could then decide to segregate people if they decided it was in their interests to do so and should they not then the vaccinated could decide whether to enter or not. Such arrangements were made for air travel, and I see no reason why it could not have been extended.

That ultimately it transpired that the variants did not completely stop transmissions is beside the point. The vaccines reduced severe disease and that alone was important as it eased the pressures on the health service. That lesser symptoms could also mitigate the level, or severity, of transmission is another consideration.

Not compulsory but without it you can't go anywhere.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Aug 23 7.40pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The show has been cancelled because the owner was unaware of who was going to perform. When he heard he decided it was unsuitable for his venue.

His venue. His decision. If he had decided to discriminate on illegal grounds then he could have been in difficulties. He didn’t. He decided the act wasn’t suitable, not because the performer had the wrong colour skin, sexuality or disability.

No he didn't. He waited until he received an unknown number of complaints from the permanently offended and then changed his mind.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 23 9.17pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not compulsory but without it you can't go anywhere.

Untrue. You could go to venues which an owner opens to all. You just wouldn’t meet me there. You could go to venues devoted entirely to the unvaccinated.

Too often people complain about their rights being trampled on whilst forgetting they are actually trying to trample on the rights of others.

Freedom of speech is an example. Everyone can say whatever they like at home, or in other private places whilst in the company of the like minded. Restrictions only apply where other people are. People who have the right not to hear language and attitudes deemed to be unacceptable by society, as determined by our representatives.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 23 9.19pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No he didn't. He waited until he received an unknown number of complaints from the permanently offended and then changed his mind.

How he reached his decision is immaterial. It was his decision to make.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Aug 23 9.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How he reached his decision is immaterial. It was his decision to make.


Looks like this show is going on anyway at another venue so it's his loss. At least he has his virtue to keep him warm.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Aug 23 9.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Untrue. You could go to venues which an owner opens to all. You just wouldn’t meet me there. You could go to venues devoted entirely to the unvaccinated.

Too often people complain about their rights being trampled on whilst forgetting they are actually trying to trample on the rights of others.

Freedom of speech is an example. Everyone can say whatever they like at home, or in other private places whilst in the company of the like minded. Restrictions only apply where other people are. People who have the right not to hear language and attitudes deemed to be unacceptable by society, as determined by our representatives.

Still not getting how someone not getting a vaccination is trampling on your rights.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 23 10.14pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Looks like this show is going on anyway at another venue so it's his loss. At least he has his virtue to keep him warm.

Which rather proves my point that other venues are available! Everyone’s rights have been recognised.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 23 10.22pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Still not getting how someone not getting a vaccination is trampling on your rights.

Not knowing who isn’t vaccinated is the issue. I think those who have been have the right to know who isn’t so they can avoid associating with them, if they choose not to.

 


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