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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 27 Jan 23 2.20pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

But self-identification is just that. Self. How do you 'define' a woman? What is a false application?

Hence why this utter nonsense falls down at the first serious hurdle. How do you define what a 'trans' woman is?

They are all false applications.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Jan 23 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

Yes, there's no way a sex offender would knowingly fill a form out incorrectly.

I believe there will be risk assessments. And when a female prisoner inevitably gets raped, Iím sure thereíll be an inquiry. So thatís good.

Don't be daft, prisoners in general are criminals.

I guess you don't understand the effect of a statutory aggravator.

The point, for the hard of thinking, is that when a Trans person enters any prison they are subject to a risk assessment. Where they are a potential danger they will likely have prior sexual offences history and will be treated as such.

MOJ stats show 76 of the 129 male-born prisoners identifying as transgender (0.16% of the prison population) have at least 1 conviction of sexual offence.

In case they should find a way (and wish) to re-offend in prison, their punishment will be considerably greater than it would have been due to the aggravator. Of itself that doesn't stop offending in prison but may be an additional deterrent.

It would be interesting to understand why people care so much. 76 people in prisons that need a special eye kept. Maybe the general public just found sympathy for prisoners, victims of society etc. Or maybe it's in the interests of those with big voices to make a fuss. Just saying.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 27 Jan 23 3.30pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

How do you know if a trans person is actually trans and not just pretending? What are the criteria?

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Jan 23 3.35pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

How do you know if a trans person is actually trans and not just pretending? What are the criteria?

Are you in England/Wales or Scotland? Do you have gender dysphoria? Or 'asking for a friend'?

To gain a Gender Recognition Certificate here is what you will need to do in any of the Home countries, put in place in 2004.

[Link]

Here are the proposed changes from Scotland

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Edited by Mapletree (27 Jan 2023 3.39pm)

Edited by Mapletree (27 Jan 2023 3.39pm)

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 27 Jan 23 4.20pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Are you in England/Wales or Scotland? Do you have gender dysphoria? Or 'asking for a friend'?

To gain a Gender Recognition Certificate here is what you will need to do in any of the Home countries, put in place in 2004.

[Link]

Here are the proposed changes from Scotland

[Link]

Edited by Mapletree (27 Jan 2023 3.39pm)

Edited by Mapletree (27 Jan 2023 3.39pm)

Thank you for that. Interesting.

Out of interest do you think it is right that somebody has to make this transition just the once? And that this change has to be permanent? Because I thought the point was that gender was meant to be fluid?

 


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Scotland's genie is out of the bottle. By Genie I mean p****: [Link]

 


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View Pembroke's Profile Pembroke Flag Bristol 28 Jan 23 7.19pm Send a Private Message to Pembroke Add Pembroke as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Don't be daft, prisoners in general are criminals.

I guess you don't understand the effect of a statutory aggravator.

The point, for the hard of thinking, is that when a Trans person enters any prison they are subject to a risk assessment. Where they are a potential danger they will likely have prior sexual offences history and will be treated as such.

MOJ stats show 76 of the 129 male-born prisoners identifying as transgender (0.16% of the prison population) have at least 1 conviction of sexual offence.

In case they should find a way (and wish) to re-offend in prison, their punishment will be considerably greater than it would have been due to the aggravator. Of itself that doesn't stop offending in prison but may be an additional deterrent.

It would be interesting to understand why people care so much. 76 people in prisons that need a special eye kept. Maybe the general public just found sympathy for prisoners, victims of society etc. Or maybe it's in the interests of those with big voices to make a fuss. Just saying.


What proportion of trans women in prisons have committed sexual crimes? The answer will be in numbers far above the female populace in prisons.

Is a male sexual pattern repeated in society by trans women?

Next look at offending patternms for trans men. The levels are below trans women. The levels are also below males.

Its a female sexual pattern

Statistically out of Trans women, females, trans men, males who proportionally commits the most sexual crimes?

We as a society create single sex spaces to give females dignity, privacy and safety away from the oposite sex. Where do trans women fit into our cultural traditions of law and social contract?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Jan 23 12.39am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Pembroke


What proportion of trans women in prisons have committed sexual crimes? The answer will be in numbers far above the female populace in prisons.

Is a male sexual pattern repeated in society by trans women?

Next look at offending patternms for trans men. The levels are below trans women. The levels are also below males.

Its a female sexual pattern

Statistically out of Trans women, females, trans men, males who proportionally commits the most sexual crimes?

We as a society create single sex spaces to give females dignity, privacy and safety away from the oposite sex. Where do trans women fit into our cultural traditions of law and social contract?

Divide 76 by 129.

I agree that we need safe spaces for women. Should we say that all trans women arenít allowed into them, even post gender reassignment surgery? They are a pretty vulnerable group.

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 29 Jan 23 4.17am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Divide 76 by 129.

I agree that we need safe spaces for women. Should we say that all trans women arenít allowed into them, even post gender reassignment surgery? They are a pretty vulnerable group.

Probably, yes.
The world has become obsessed with making everything fair for absolutely everyone. Unfortunately, life just isn't.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Divide 76 by 129.

I agree that we need safe spaces for women. Should we say that all trans women arenít allowed into them, even post gender reassignment surgery? They are a pretty vulnerable group.

If people make safety arguments they should have the answers here. We have haphazard data. The incomplete information we have leads to trans women as a group are more of a threat than men.

Real pictures?

So over 50% of trans women have committed sexual crimes? A figure that is higher than males and females. Trans women are more of threat to females than males. Why?

Whats the offending figure for those undergoing reassignment surgery?

On the basis of males being a threat to women males are not allowed in female only spaces.

Why are single sex spaces being compromised for trans women who present more threat as a group?


Edited by Pembroke (29 Jan 2023 9.27am)

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Jan 23 9.59am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Pembroke

If people make safety arguments they should have the answers here. We have haphazard data. The incomplete information we have leads to trans women as a group are more of a threat than men.

Real pictures?

So over 50% of trans women have committed sexual crimes? A figure that is higher than males and females. Trans women are more of threat to females than males. Why?

Whats the offending figure for those undergoing reassignment surgery?

On the basis of males being a threat to women males are not allowed in female only spaces.

Why are single sex spaces being compromised for trans women who present more threat as a group?


Edited by Pembroke (29 Jan 2023 9.27am)

I see you want real pictures of trans women. I understand there is quite a market.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Jan 23 10.09am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I see you want real pictures of trans women. I understand there is quite a market.

Petticoat Lane?

 

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