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 chris123  hove actually 14 Oct 16 6.55pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Just to cheer us all up - anyone know if brexit goes thru what happens to the Europpean Arrest Warrant? Didn't we opt out?
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Oct 16 7.20pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Just to cheer us all up - anyone know if brexit goes thru what happens to the Europpean Arrest Warrant? Didn't we opt out? Correction - we opted in.
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Kermit8  Hevon 18 Oct 16 5.33pm |
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Big chest and massive boobs |
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| chris123 hove actually 18 Oct 16 6.54pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If they held the referendum again tomorrow does anyone believe that it would still be for us to leave? I am forced to wonder if all the "hard talk" is just a softening up process which enables the government to be forced, screaming and protesting, into allowing some kind of reversal. It always seemed probable that they would go that way. Mrs May's conversion seems less than convincing to me. Of course - because for many the issue is sovereignty.
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| carlonoil Naples 18 Oct 16 6.59pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If they held the referendum again tomorrow does anyone believe that it would still be for us to leave? I am forced to wonder if all the "hard talk" is just a softening up process which enables the government to be forced, screaming and protesting, into allowing some kind of reversal. It always seemed probable that they would go that way. Mrs May's conversion seems less than convincing to me. There would be an even bigger majority to leave. The constant stream of negativity and bulls from the Remain fanatics will just increase the Leave sentiment. People saw through the propaganda last time, they would again.
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Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 18 Oct 16 8.11pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If they held the referendum again tomorrow does anyone believe that it would still be for us to leave? I am forced to wonder if all the "hard talk" is just a softening up process which enables the government to be forced, screaming and protesting, into allowing some kind of reversal. It always seemed probable that they would go that way. Mrs May's conversion seems less than convincing to me. A reversal would not be democratic and it would throw the whole British political system into turmoil. "First by the post except when it doesn't suit corporate pressure and whingers".
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| Kermit8 Hevon 18 Oct 16 8.26pm |
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Originally posted by carlonoil
There would be an even bigger majority to leave. The constant stream of negativity and bulls from the Remain fanatics will just increase the Leave sentiment. People saw through the propaganda last time, they would again.
Big chest and massive boobs |
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| carlonoil Naples 18 Oct 16 8.40pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Were BusinessInsider one of the expert pollsters who predicted a 55% majority for Remain before the referendum? Also, of course, there will be all the big poops that will hit the failing EU over the next few years that will confirm the correctness of our vote.
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| JohnyBoy 18 Oct 16 8.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If they held the referendum again tomorrow does anyone believe that it would still be for us to leave? I am forced to wonder if all the "hard talk" is just a softening up process which enables the government to be forced, screaming and protesting, into allowing some kind of reversal. It always seemed probable that they would go that way. Mrs May's conversion seems less than convincing to me. You cant honestly expect that the British would ever vote for brexit after all the collapse in sterling, scottish independence, loss of passporting etc etc is all just scare stories. And you have to remember we can give 350m Per week to the Nhs and we buy 1000s of german cars so the eu will defo give us free trade.
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| chris123 hove actually 18 Oct 16 9.28pm |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
You cant honestly expect that the British would ever vote for brexit after all the collapse in sterling, scottish independence, loss of passporting etc etc is all just scare stories. And you have to remember we can give 350m Per week to the Nhs and we buy 1000s of german cars so the eu will defo give us free trade. We can be in the EEA without being in the EU remember.
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| JohnyBoy 18 Oct 16 9.40pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
We can be in the EEA without being in the EU remember. We can but i think they've said they dont want this as it doesnt give us enough 'control'...sovrinty innit
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| chris123 hove actually 18 Oct 16 10.05pm |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
We can but i think they've said they dont want this as it doesnt give us enough 'control'...sovrinty innit Well as a member of EFTA we could remain part of the EEA.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 16 10.12pm |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
A reversal would not be democratic and it would throw the whole British political system into turmoil. "First by the post except when it doesn't suit corporate pressure and whingers". That makes the incorrect assumption that the referendum was "democratic" in the first place! Referendums have no constitutional validity in the British system. It is parliament which is sovereign and that is the ONLY place where a decision of such importance should be taken. A referendum can be advisory, and it very clearly advised that 52% of those who voted thought on that day, with the information they had been given, and without the benefit of actual events, that leaving would be better than remaining. 48% disagreed then. How many more would now? I cannot imagine many, if any, remainers, changing their minds in the light of experience. Parliament needs to assert it's authority to ensure the continuation of our democracy and not to thwart it. Parliament, as a whole, needs to save us from the mess which almost everyone except the wilfully blind can now see. Such people, along with the stubborn, out of touch little Englanders on the right of the Tory party, and in UKIP, need to be consigned to the bin of history they so richly deserve to inhabit.
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| JohnyBoy 18 Oct 16 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Well as a member of EFTA we could remain part of the EEA. But the government have said they want restrictions on eu migrants, so no free trade and no free access to the single market. So its either a hard brexit or peace, stability and a prosperous economy.....i'm just hoping its all been a bad dream and i will wake tomorrow with the £ worth $1.50 instead of 1.20 and the latest firecast for 2017 economic growth to be 2.1% instead of 0.8% which will cost the uk economy 50billion pounds in just 1 year! I say lets 'take back control' and spend it on the Nhs
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| Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 18 Oct 16 11.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That makes the incorrect assumption that the referendum was "democratic" in the first place! Referendums have no constitutional validity in the British system. It is parliament which is sovereign and that is the ONLY place where a decision of such importance should be taken. A referendum can be advisory, and it very clearly advised that 52% of those who voted thought on that day, with the information they had been given, and without the benefit of actual events, that leaving would be better than remaining. 48% disagreed then. How many more would now? I cannot imagine many, if any, remainers, changing their minds in the light of experience. Parliament needs to assert it's authority to ensure the continuation of our democracy and not to thwart it. Parliament, as a whole, needs to save us from the mess which almost everyone except the wilfully blind can now see. Such people, along with the stubborn, out of touch little Englanders on the right of the Tory party, and in UKIP, need to be consigned to the bin of history they so richly deserve to inhabit. Before the referendum, many people said ongoing EU Membership was too big an issue for a simple "YES" or "NO" vote. The morons who led us into this have thrown themselves on their swords and left another set of Chimps to run the tea party. By and large the referendum was probably an opportunity for the public to register massive dissatisfaction with the status quo. I suspect it was more than just EU membership? I'd agree Parliament has the right to review, and should review, the outcome of the referendum but it should not ignore the will of the people under the current electoral system which (in my opinion) is long overdue for reform.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 18 Oct 16 11.16pm |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
Before the referendum, many people said ongoing EU Membership was too big an issue for a simple "YES" or "NO" vote. The morons who led us into this have thrown themselves on their swords and left another set of Chimps to run the tea party. By and large the referendum was probably an opportunity for the public to register massive dissatisfaction with the status quo. I suspect it was more than just EU membership? I'd agree Parliament has the right to review, and should review, the outcome of the referendum but it should not ignore the will of the people under the current electoral system which (in my opinion) is long overdue for reform. And if parliament ignores the referendum outcome, what was the point in holding it in the first place?
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| Stirlingsays 19 Oct 16 3.41am |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
Before the referendum, many people said ongoing EU Membership was too big an issue for a simple "YES" or "NO" vote. The morons who led us into this have thrown themselves on their swords and left another set of Chimps to run the tea party. By and large the referendum was probably an opportunity for the public to register massive dissatisfaction with the status quo. I suspect it was more than just EU membership? I'd agree Parliament has the right to review, and should review, the outcome of the referendum but it should not ignore the will of the people under the current electoral system which (in my opinion) is long overdue for reform. Cameron had no real choice....Not a choice that would have kept his party together anyway.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 19 Oct 16 9.34am |
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Originally posted by carlonoil
Many people clamouring for another referendum are also supporters of the Corbyn led Labour Party. If you want the dire predictions of a worthless currency, stock market collapse, flight of foreign companies, mass unemployment etc to come true quickly - simply elect Jeremy and his comrades to power. Many people clamouring for aanother referendum are tory and lib dem voters. What's your point? I voted remain but accept the result and think we should get on with it. What's your evidence for what I've put in bold?
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