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 Kermit8  Hevon 26 May 17 10.47am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Think the main issue for Corbyn is this is taking him very close to arguments around American Imperialism. It is a debate we should be having, not just in our country but globally, but it is a very detailed one which two and a half weeks of electioneering won't be able to cover, and the Tories will just throw red scare and IRA stuff at him and hope no one looks at their record on sympathising with, training and importing terrorists. Yep. US foreign policy over the last 50 years has caused so much grief and discord and vacuums for extremists to flourish that plenty of finger-pointing can be aimed at them. Their need to be at 'war' with someone, something, somewhere at any given time in order to justify their defence budget, the jobs of those connected to it, the profit made from it for big corporations, etc. Add all that and the exportation of the mass junk culture lifestyle, the vexatious litigation epidemic, the political correctness, etc. Not what i would call a healthy nor pleasant guardian of the world since the 1950's. 5/10 US - must try harder.
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Hansy  26 May 17 10.48am |
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 26 May 17 10.51am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
The one thing in Corbyn's favour is that most aged under 40 won't remember nor hold a grudge against his politics and decision making back in the 70's and 80's. But he couldn't be any further from sweeping up any middle England right of centre votes from those who do remember if he tried. Blair managed it and that's why he won. It is virtually impossible for Corbyn to win. What would be best is that the Tory majority is somehow kept below 40 so they have some scrutiny with their oncoming more Brexit madness and other policies (usually iniquitous if ultra Tories are involved). But Corbyn is polling higher than Blair's majority in 2005. So he's clearly built a coalition of voters capable of winning an election, just maybe not this one because of particular boundary and party concerns. If UKIP hadn't fallen by the wayside so dramatically, he'd be on his way to no.10. He still might if this stuff about May as Home Sec allowing Libyan extremists in surfaces.
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| Hansy 26 May 17 11.11am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But Corbyn is polling higher than Blair's majority in 2005. So he's clearly built a coalition of voters capable of winning an election, just maybe not this one because of particular boundary and party concerns. If UKIP hadn't fallen by the wayside so dramatically, he'd be on his way to no.10. He still might if this stuff about May as Home Sec allowing Libyan extremists in surfaces. This is Corbyn's only chance. If he doesn't win, then there will be another leadership contest. Whether he wants to resign or not is another question. UKIP achieved what they wanted. That is the problem with a single policy party, their downfall was expected.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 26 May 17 11.16am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But Corbyn is polling higher than Blair's majority in 2005. So he's clearly built a coalition of voters capable of winning an election, just maybe not this one because of particular boundary and party concerns. If UKIP hadn't fallen by the wayside so dramatically, he'd be on his way to no.10. He still might if this stuff about May as Home Sec allowing Libyan extremists in surfaces. Nah. UKIP and Tories would have formed a coalition gov. Now that would be very scary. May is going to end up with 38-45% of the vote. I wish it weren't so but she will. The lower end of that may mean a hung parliament and wouldn't it be wonderful if that happened. The reins truly on the ultra-right rather than the loose cannons they are now.
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| Hansy 26 May 17 11.25am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Nah. UKIP and Tories would have formed a coalition gov. Now that would be very scary. May is going to end up with 38-45% of the vote. I wish it weren't so but she will. The lower end of that may mean a hung parliament and wouldn't it be wonderful if that happened. The reins truly on the ultra-right rather than the loose cannons they are now. So she hasn't called the election to gain more seats so she doesn't have to seek approval from the Far Right tories? What is she calling it for then?
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| Stirlingsays 26 May 17 11.27am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You might be right, but if recent history has taught us anything it's that making bold predictions like this has left many "experts" with egg on their face, let alone members of the general public. The odds are in May's favour and she may well win an increased majority. At the end of the day only one poll matters and there are plenty of people who will still be making their minds up. I was right on the last election and Brexit. We shall see with this one. Polls rarely exclude those who are unlikely to vote. They just aren't going to vote for the far left. Even if it hurt me in the pocket I couldn't vote for a party with this attitude on defence and Britain's place in the world. Corbyn is an embarrassment to the land of Churchill.
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| DanH SW2 26 May 17 11.27am |
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Labour somehow pulling off an election win would be possibly be the funniest thing to happen in politics ever.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 26 May 17 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Hansy
So she hasn't called the election to gain more seats so she doesn't have to seek approval from the Far Right tories? What is she calling it for then? 5 more years in power. The Oppo was, on the surface, very, very weak when she called it. At the time, politically, it would have been a no-brainer.
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| Hansy 26 May 17 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
5 more years in power. The Oppo was, on the surface, very, very weak when she called it. At the time, politically, it would have been a no-brainer. Works well with the point I am making regarding gaining a larger majority. Which I still think will happen. Disliked his foreign policy speech. Felt like he was trying to use the attacks in Manchester as a political point. Labour were the party that helped the US in their war on terror.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 May 17 11.47am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Labour somehow pulling off an election win would be possibly be the funniest thing to happen in politics ever. I suspect you wouldn't be laughing for long.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 26 May 17 11.48am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But Corbyn is polling higher than Blair's majority in 2005. So he's clearly built a coalition of voters capable of winning an election, just maybe not this one because of particular boundary and party concerns. If UKIP hadn't fallen by the wayside so dramatically, he'd be on his way to no.10. He still might if this stuff about May as Home Sec allowing Libyan extremists in surfaces. Forget the polls, the silent majority will vote Tory, common sense will prevail - like it did in the EU Referendum.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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