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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Jun 17 7.46pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Indeed you are missing the point. Two months ago we all knew Labour was unelectable and heading for a serious bloody nose. Suddenly they are not far off being in a coalition of power. So something has changed. I can't say I have ever been a Corbyn fan but in this campaign he has looked quite sensible most of the time. And apart from Dianne Abbott, who somehow always comes across as bizarre and overly aggressive not to mention dubiously informed, the Labour machine worked well. So, big change. And given more time potentially they would have made it into power, let's face it they had less forewarning than the Tories of the election. Now what happens will be truly interesting. Is Corbyn becoming the face of a broader coalition of Labour politicians or will he use this improvement to bolster the extreme Left? Just maybe the former, it's certainly how he came across in the election debates. Edited by Mapletree (09 Jun 2017 7.29pm) So what is the point I'm missing? You've offered conjecture, yes, but everything I've just said addresses that. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 09 Jun 17 7.46pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Indeed you are missing the point. Two months ago we all knew Labour was unelectable and heading for a serious bloody nose. Suddenly they are not far off being in a coalition of power. So something has changed. I can't say I have ever been a Corbyn fan but in this campaign he has looked quite sensible most of the time. And apart from Dianne Abbott, who somehow always comes across as bizarre and overly aggressive not to mention dubiously informed, the Labour machine worked well.

So, big change. And given more time potentially they would have made it into power, let's face it they had less forewarning than the Tories of the election.

Now what happens will be truly interesting. Is Corbyn becoming the face of a broader coalition of Labour politicians or will he use this improvement to bolster the extreme Left? Just maybe the former, it's certainly how he came across in the election debates.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jun 2017 7.29pm)

So what is the point I'm missing? You've offered conjecture, yes, but everything I've just said addresses that.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.46pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Unlike those nice, cuddly IRA people? What relevance does that have to May getting into bed with the DUP? I'll give you a clue. None. She could have just gone for a minority government but realised the majority of people don't want her policies or her cuts so instead threw her lot in with the DUP. She's a liar and a hypocrite who got what she deserved for her hubris and disdain for the electorate.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 09 Jun 17 7.46pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Unlike those nice, cuddly IRA people?

What relevance does that have to May getting into bed with the DUP? I'll give you a clue. None. She could have just gone for a minority government but realised the majority of people don't want her policies or her cuts so instead threw her lot in with the DUP. She's a liar and a hypocrite who got what she deserved for her hubris and disdain for the electorate.

kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 09 Jun 17 7.47pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Sorry Willo but you must be the only person to believe that. I have some sympathy for her regarding Brexit but She saw an opportunity and went for it. If she was any good it would have been the right decision and she would have won more seats if not the landslide but she came across as awful, hid away from the electorate and just kept repeating the same mantra. If there's not another General Election within the next 6 months I will eat my metaphoric hat So will I. Central Office read the polls along with Number 10 and saw an opportunity which they butchered with an inept campaign. There will be a no confidence vote that will be lost by the Tories and another election which will elect a Labour government either by a small majority or in a coalition with the SNP and/or the LibDems. The price will probably be another Euro referendum. One only has to look at the number of "safe" Tory seats that are now marginal throughout the country. At the outset of this election, pollsters noted that the Tories lead was in part due to gains made in the Northeast that, while substantial, would not be able to turn over some of the safest Labour seats. Add that to the absurd assumption that the UKIP vote would monolithically goto the Tories and it adds up to a total misreading of the political situation. The one place where they were right was Scotland. Otherwise, throughout England and Wales the Tories were caught with their trousers down. Should Kensington come in for Labour, as is being rumoured, even if it is a squeaker (one Scottish constituency was won by SNP by 2 votes), it will complete the snatch and grab raid successfully pulled off by Labour in their goal to become a viable party going forward. Divorced...And LOVING it! VJRAM Rev. CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach Trevor Francis, International PRAT

kenbarr

Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 09 Jun 17 7.47pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Sorry Willo but you must be the only person to believe that. I have some sympathy for her regarding Brexit but She saw an opportunity and went for it. If she was any good it would have been the right decision and she would have won more seats if not the landslide but she came across as awful, hid away from the electorate and just kept repeating the same mantra.

If there's not another General Election within the next 6 months I will eat my metaphoric hat

So will I. Central Office read the polls along with Number 10 and saw an opportunity which they butchered with an inept campaign. There will be a no confidence vote that will be lost by the Tories and another election which will elect a Labour government either by a small majority or in a coalition with the SNP and/or the LibDems. The price will probably be another Euro referendum.

One only has to look at the number of "safe" Tory seats that are now marginal throughout the country. At the outset of this election, pollsters noted that the Tories lead was in part due to gains made in the Northeast that, while substantial, would not be able to turn over some of the safest Labour seats. Add that to the absurd assumption that the UKIP vote would monolithically goto the Tories and it adds up to a total misreading of the political situation. The one place where they were right was Scotland. Otherwise, throughout England and Wales the Tories were caught with their trousers down. Should Kensington come in for Labour, as is being rumoured, even if it is a squeaker (one Scottish constituency was won by SNP by 2 votes), it will complete the snatch and grab raid successfully pulled off by Labour in their goal to become a viable party going forward.

Divorced...And LOVING it!
VJRAM Rev.
CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC
Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach
Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach
Trevor Francis, International PRAT

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 7.57pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Religious extremists to boot. Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 7.57pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Religious extremists to boot.

Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum?

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.03pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum? Some of them also believe climate change is a "con". They want to take us back to the 70s, and by that I mean the 1770s.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.03pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum?

Some of them also believe climate change is a "con". They want to take us back to the 70s, and by that I mean the 1770s.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 8.06pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum? "I denounce you, Anti-Christ! I refuse you as Christ's enemy and Antichrist with all your false doctrine" - the Rev addressing Pope John Paul II on a visit to the European Parliament October 1988. That's how sensible the DUP are. Sounds a bit like another acronym I know with lots of I's and s's. Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 8.07pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 8.06pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Didnt some of them demand Creationism be put in the NI school curriculum?

"I denounce you, Anti-Christ! I refuse you as Christ's enemy and Antichrist with all your false doctrine" - the Rev addressing Pope John Paul II on a visit to the European Parliament October 1988.

That's how sensible the DUP are.

Sounds a bit like another acronym I know with lots of I's and s's.

Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 8.07pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 09 Jun 17 8.06pm
Originally posted by europalace I expected such a clueless reply, keep going as you seem to be convincing yourself and nobody else. You do not convince anyone about anything in your Pro EU posts... Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 09 Jun 17 8.06pm

Originally posted by europalace

I expected such a clueless reply, keep going as you seem to be convincing yourself and nobody else.

You do not convince anyone about anything in your Pro EU posts...

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 8.09pm
Been too busy to contribute to the thread today and not read it since this morning but am guessing the right-wing Holers are standing their ground in a General Custer influenced way? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 09 Jun 17 8.09pm

Been too busy to contribute to the thread today and not read it since this morning but am guessing the right-wing Holers are standing their ground in a General Custer influenced way?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 8.11pm
Originally posted by susmik You do not convince anyone about anything in your Pro EU posts... Very grounded to me. A 51/49 split election , campaigns full of lies. The electorate should require a chance to vote on the final deal. Any way London voted 60/40 to stay. I would prefer a Capital State than an independent England. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 8.11pm

Originally posted by susmik

You do not convince anyone about anything in your Pro EU posts...

Very grounded to me. A 51/49 split election , campaigns full of lies. The electorate should require a chance to vote on the final deal.

Any way London voted 60/40 to stay.

I would prefer a Capital State than an independent England.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.11pm
Originally posted by Willo The "Money-tree" believers.And those who believed that £48Billion of pledges could be raised by 5% of the population and by 'Corporation Taxes' rising from 19% - 26% which would have an adverse affect on the very businesses which generate wealth, jobs etc.Total fantasy economics and people fell for it. Do you know how the fractional-reserve banking system works? I assume you must vehemently oppose that system? Your economics is wonky. 55% rejected austerity and Tory economic mismanagement yesterday. People fell for nothing. This is the very arrogance and hubris that sees May in this mess.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.11pm

Originally posted by Willo

The "Money-tree" believers.And those who believed that £48Billion of pledges could be raised by 5% of the population and by 'Corporation Taxes' rising from 19% - 26% which would have an adverse affect on the very businesses which generate wealth, jobs etc.Total fantasy economics and people fell for it.

Do you know how the fractional-reserve banking system works? I assume you must vehemently oppose that system?

Your economics is wonky. 55% rejected austerity and Tory economic mismanagement yesterday. People fell for nothing. This is the very arrogance and hubris that sees May in this mess.

hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 8.15pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle What relevance does that have to May getting into bed with the DUP? I'll give you a clue. None. She could have just gone for a minority government but realised the majority of people don't want her policies or her cuts so instead threw her lot in with the DUP. She's a liar and a hypocrite who got what she deserved for her hubris and disdain for the electorate. The relevance is that you said the The DUP are a revolting group of people, Corbyn would of course throw in his lot with the IRA MPs if they took their seats, and they are a far more revolting group of people. Of course May is not a hypocrite and a liar for trying to form a coalition, any party in her position would. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Jun 17 8.15pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

The relevance is that you said the The DUP are a revolting group of people, Corbyn would of course throw in his lot with the IRA MPs if they took their seats, and they are a far more revolting group of people. Of course May is not a hypocrite and a liar for trying to form a coalition, any party in her position would.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 8.15pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Been too busy to contribute to the thread today and not read it since this morning but am guessing the right-wing Holers are standing their ground in a General Custer influenced way? LOL The Tory voters admit they were crap, but the ex national socialist UKIP'ers have obviously had a revelation on the road to Damascus and forgotten the words written by them on HOL about the Tories from the last election. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 8.15pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Been too busy to contribute to the thread today and not read it since this morning but am guessing the right-wing Holers are standing their ground in a General Custer influenced way?

LOL

The Tory voters admit they were crap, but the ex national socialist UKIP'ers have obviously had a revelation on the road to Damascus and forgotten the words written by them on HOL about the Tories from the last election.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 8.18pm
Originally posted by pefwin "I denounce you, Anti-Christ! I refuse you as Christ's enemy and Antichrist with all your false doctrine" - the Rev addressing Pope John Paul II on a visit to the European Parliament October 1988. That's how sensible the DUP are. Sounds a bit like another acronym I know with lots of I's and s's. Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 8.07pm) What's wrong with that! Sounds like a fair criticise of the Catholic church to me. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Jun 17 8.18pm

Originally posted by pefwin

"I denounce you, Anti-Christ! I refuse you as Christ's enemy and Antichrist with all your false doctrine" - the Rev addressing Pope John Paul II on a visit to the European Parliament October 1988.

That's how sensible the DUP are.

Sounds a bit like another acronym I know with lots of I's and s's.

Edited by pefwin (09 Jun 2017 8.07pm)

What's wrong with that! Sounds like a fair criticise of the Catholic church to me.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 09 Jun 17 8.19pm
Originally posted by europalace It's as good as a win because now the Tories will have to turn to Boris Johnson to lead the party. He was exposed together with Farage as lying to the electorate to push the brexit referendum through. There will be even more younger generation elegible to vote by that time (and even less older as that's nature) and another general election will be on the cards before brexit is anywhere near a done deal. Which hat did you pick that from ???? There are probably several MP's who will throw their lot in the ring if it comes to choosing a new leader. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 09 Jun 17 8.19pm

Originally posted by europalace

It's as good as a win because now the Tories will have to turn to Boris Johnson to lead the party. He was exposed together with Farage as lying to the electorate to push the brexit referendum through. There will be even more younger generation elegible to vote by that time (and even less older as that's nature) and another general election will be on the cards before brexit is anywhere near a done deal.

Which hat did you pick that from ????

There are probably several MP's who will throw their lot in the ring if it comes to choosing a new leader.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 8.21pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 What's wrong with that! Sounds like a fair criticise of the Catholic church to me. -.-' "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jun 17 8.21pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

What's wrong with that! Sounds like a fair criticise of the Catholic church to me.

-.-'

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 09 Jun 17 8.21pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Theresa May from strong and stable to desperate terrorist co-conspirator. What outrageous demands will the DUP make to behave when voting? Let June be the end of May. Probably go the same way as when Labour tried it. Funnily enough under JC the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 09 Jun 17 8.21pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Theresa May from strong and stable to desperate terrorist co-conspirator.

What outrageous demands will the DUP make to behave when voting?

Let June be the end of May.

Probably go the same way as when Labour tried it. Funnily enough under JC

the dignified don't even enter in the game

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.22pm
Originally posted by susmik As I said before the youngsters who got out of bed for the first time to vote do not realise the damage they have done in voting for free tuition and cheap housing it is sad to think that these young people will be the ones running the country when they are older. To be brain washed like they have been shows that Corbyn is a great speaker and auto suggestion master unlike May who is not called the "Ice Maiden" for nothing. She really has let the side down. Why do the Tory supporters on here have an obsession with brainwashing? They seem to find it inconceivable that people, especially the young, are able to understand the facts and make their own minds up. It's both condescending and embarrassing and will only further undermine their own cause. If these people don't open their eyes to the fact that young people matter and that they place great store by education, properly funded public services, reducing inequality and removing social prejudices and discrimination, then they risk heightening social and generational divisions and ushering in a party with less myopia.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.22pm

Originally posted by susmik

As I said before the youngsters who got out of bed for the first time to vote do not realise the damage they have done in voting for free tuition and cheap housing it is sad to think that these young people will be the ones running the country when they are older. To be brain washed like they have been shows that Corbyn is a great speaker and auto suggestion master unlike May who is not called the "Ice Maiden" for nothing. She really has let the side down.

Why do the Tory supporters on here have an obsession with brainwashing? They seem to find it inconceivable that people, especially the young, are able to understand the facts and make their own minds up. It's both condescending and embarrassing and will only further undermine their own cause. If these people don't open their eyes to the fact that young people matter and that they place great store by education, properly funded public services, reducing inequality and removing social prejudices and discrimination, then they risk heightening social and generational divisions and ushering in a party with less myopia.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.25pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The relevance is that you said the The DUP are a revolting group of people, Corbyn would of course throw in his lot with the IRA MPs if they took their seats, and they are a far more revolting group of people. Of course May is not a hypocrite and a liar for trying to form a coalition, any party in her position would. Utter conjecture and fantasy. Do the words "coalition of chaos" ring any bells? Who was it who said that?

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.25pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Utter conjecture and fantasy.

Do the words "coalition of chaos" ring any bells? Who was it who said that?

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.28pm
Originally posted by pefwin Very grounded to me. A 51/49 split election , campaigns full of lies. The electorate should require a chance to vote on the final deal. Any way London voted 60/40 to stay. I would prefer a Capital State than an independent England. If we're taking election maths 55% UK wide rejected May's extreme Brexit and right wing austerity yesterday. Of that there is no doubt.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 09 Jun 17 8.28pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Very grounded to me. A 51/49 split election , campaigns full of lies. The electorate should require a chance to vote on the final deal.

Any way London voted 60/40 to stay.

I would prefer a Capital State than an independent England.

If we're taking election maths 55% UK wide rejected May's extreme Brexit and right wing austerity yesterday. Of that there is no doubt.

europalace Europe 09 Jun 17 8.33pm
Originally posted by susmik You do not convince anyone about anything in your Pro EU posts... Convince? Do you really think you can convince anyone on here by posting anything? I don't need to do that but what I can do is very easily counteract your miserable and sad attitude to the young generations in the UK today. They are the future of the country, not you and they are generally far more politically savvy than most of your age because they haven't had to go through the political desert over the last 25 years. Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 8.33pm)

europalace

Europe 09 Jun 17 8.33pm

Originally posted by susmik

You do not convince anyone about anything in your Pro EU posts...

Convince? Do you really think you can convince anyone on here by posting anything? I don't need to do that but what I can do is very easily counteract your miserable and sad attitude to the young generations in the UK today. They are the future of the country, not you and they are generally far more politically savvy than most of your age because they haven't had to go through the political desert over the last 25 years.

Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 8.33pm)

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