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DanH Flag SW2 16 Sep 21 9.10am

Originally posted by cryrst

Maybe your feminism should be directed at Afghanistan and that religion. In this country women are equal,did we not have a female PM a few years ago? In that religion women are half a man. Where would you prefer your wife to live.

In what world do you think I support the Taliban?

 

DanH Flag SW2 16 Sep 21 9.11am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

don't feed the Lefty Troll. He prefers to come on here and make a t1t of himself defending the human rights of a tennis player with the looks of a supermodel....and then going onto the Grooming Gang thread and calling us all a bunch of racists.

his preachy nature would see him survive approx 5 minutes in a village in Afghanistan. Marching up to the village elders and giving them a bo1locking on the need for gender-neutral toilets.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Sep 2021 8.11am)

Where as you would be welcomed with open arms with your attitudes towards women.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 16 Sep 21 9.18am

Originally posted by jeeagles

Which one are you worst at, English or maths? It's hard to tell.

LOLE

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 Sep 21 10.11am

Just curious, why would Brexit lead to the break up of the UK.

If that is Scotland ceasing to be a drain on the rest of the UK then I for one won't be unhappy.

I just want the SNP out of Westminster.

Would also effectively be the end of any hopes Labour might hold of ever regaining power.

The premise all racists voted for Brexit is disproved by the fact Lammy and Abbott voted to remain.

Originally posted by kuge

All our elected politicians have been elected by a democratic process.
It is in my view a flawed democratic process, far better we adopt proportional representation.

As regards the liars and hypocrites, yes some of them are but I think no party has the monopoly on that and perhaps the worst culprit is our present PM.

I expect that analysis of the Brexit vote has been done to death already on this forum. What is clear is that London and many other parts of the country did not vote for it. Time will tell if it was a good idea. I think it was Rees Mogg that said we might not see the benefits for 40 years. Personally, I think that the next 12 months will reveal it to be the greatest disaster inflicted on this country since WWII. It will almost certainly lead to the break up of the UK.

As to whether any immigrants or people from immigrant backgrounds voted for Brexit, well I expect that some did. There are at least three members of the present cabinet that fit that description and they all supported the leave vote in the referendum.

When we examine who voted leave it would appear likely that all racists voted to leave but that not everyone that voted leave is a racist. You will need to read that last sentence carefully before you accuse me of calling you or anyone else a racist.


Edited by HKOwen (16 Sep 2021 10.14am)

 


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kuge Flag Peckham 16 Sep 21 10.20am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Just curious, why would Brexit lead to the break up of the UK.

If that is Scotland ceasing to be a drain on the rest of the UK then I for one won't be unhappy.

I just want the SNP out of Westminster.

Would also effectively be the end of any hopes Labour might hold of ever regaining power.

In exactly the way that you describe. Scotland will leave the union, probably closely followed by a reunification of Ireland. This will in turn further increase the desire for independence in Wales. As a part of Scotland voting to leave the UK the SNP will link this to rejoining the EU.

As regards how this might affect Lobour's election prospects they have ceased to be a powerful force in Scottish politics and their chances of regaining the seats lost the SNP over the past three decades is very unlikely whatever happens as regards Scottish independence.

Edited by kuge (16 Sep 2021 10.25am)

 

BlueJay Flag UK 16 Sep 21 10.21am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Just curious, why would Brexit lead to the break up of the UK.

If that is Scotland ceasing to be a drain on the rest of the UK then I for one won't be unhappy.

I just want the SNP out of Westminster.

Would also effectively be the end of any hopes Labour might hold of ever regaining power.

The premise all racists voted for Brexit is disproved by the fact Lammy and Abbott voted to remain.

Edited by HKOwen (16 Sep 2021 10.14am)

I would say that due to Scotland voting not to leave the UK (partially on account that they didn't want to leave Europe), it's definitely something that will factor into their thinking. I mean that's a truism really.

One potential problem of Scotland leaving, and the conservatives having their feet so firmly under the table going forward is that the government will be (even) less inclined to act in the public's interests. It mays to have a political environment where there is at least a chance for another party to get into power, even if it's not one we personally would like to. It keeps parties 'honest' (well as honest as they're ever likely to get!).


 

kuge Flag Peckham 16 Sep 21 10.23am

Edited by kuge (16 Sep 2021 10.28am)

 

kuge Flag Peckham 16 Sep 21 10.24am

Edited by kuge (16 Sep 2021 10.27am)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Sep 21 10.38am

Originally posted by BlueJay

I would say that due to Scotland voting not to leave the UK (partially on account that they didn't want to leave Europe), it's definitely something that will factor into their thinking. I mean that's a truism really.

One potential problem of Scotland leaving, and the conservatives having their feet so firmly under the table going forward is that the government will be (even) less inclined to act in the public's interests. It mays to have a political environment where there is at least a chance for another party to get into power, even if it's not one we personally would like to. It keeps parties 'honest' (well as honest as they're ever likely to get!).


Not your fault, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the refugee problem.
But we now have a small group of whining Remainers on here trying desperately to down talk Brexit and spread fear, which is all they have ever done.

Perhaps they could start a new thread, so they can all get together and whine at each other while the rest of us can get on with the now, rather than trying to fight battles that have already been lost.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 16 Sep 21 10.40am

It will be interesting to see what remains, I guess we will have to rename it Little England.

Very little of that would be English, the NHS will hopefully hold out.

The rest all foreign owned, private equity companies etc. the forth-coming tory sell-offs will actually leave very few assets left to strip.

Run for the benefit of a tiny portion of the super-rich.

 

BlueJay Flag UK 16 Sep 21 10.41am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not your fault, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the refugee problem.
But we now have a small group of whining Remainers on here trying desperately to down talk Brexit and spread fear, which is all they have ever done.

Perhaps they could start a new thread, so they can all get together and whine at each other while the rest of us can get on with the now, rather than trying to fight battles that have already been lost.

Was just a thought on HKOwen's comments about Scotland potentially leaving the union really (rather than the merits or otherwise of Brexit - as I tend not to talk about that since it's a done deal). No worries .


 

HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 Sep 21 10.42am

If Ireland is ever reunified it will be under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, 50%+1, nothing to do with Brexit. There is no other scenario currently agreed.

If Scotland goes then the rest of the UK will benefit from a flight of capital and people from Scotland.

It's academic most likely as even the most Braveheart Scot is surely not so stupid as to vote for a country that likely will not be viable economically.

Putting all else aside the currency problems are too big, especially around pensions.

More money for Wales and NI.

Edited by HKOwen (16 Sep 2021 10.53am)

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 Sep 21 10.52am

So the vast majority of the super rich will not benefit from this view of the future.


Originally posted by steeleye20

It will be interesting to see what remains, I guess we will have to rename it Little England.

Very little of that would be English, the NHS will hopefully hold out.

The rest all foreign owned, private equity companies etc. the forth-coming tory sell-offs will actually leave very few assets left to strip.

Run for the benefit of a tiny portion of the super-rich.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

kuge Flag Peckham 16 Sep 21 10.54am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not your fault, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the refugee problem.
But we now have a small group of whining Remainers on here trying desperately to down talk Brexit and spread fear, which is all they have ever done.

Perhaps they could start a new thread, so they can all get together and whine at each other while the rest of us can get on with the now, rather than trying to fight battles that have already been lost.

But Brexit is very influential on the refugee problem. We have lost our voice in the EU and we are therefore unable to change future policies there.

In relation to international organised crime, which is what fuels most of the people trafficking across the channel, our exit from Europol which was not even necessary post-Brexit has robbed us of valuable intelligence. It’s quite possible that the criminals presently have better cross border cooperation and coordination than the UK has.

There is no need to talk down Brexit it does all its own work in that direction. We are all waiting for a single benefit to be identified, nothing is forthcoming yet.

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 16 Sep 21 10.58am

Originally posted by HKOwen

If Ireland is ever reunified it will be under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, 50%+1, nothing to do with Brexit. There is no other scenario currently agreed.

If Scotland goes then the rest of the UK will benefit from a flight of capital and people from Scotland.

It's academic most likely as even the most Braveheart Scot is surely not so stupid as to vote for a country that likely will not be viable economically.

Putting all else aside the currency problems are too big, especially around pensions.

More money for Wales and NI.

Edited by HKOwen (16 Sep 2021 10.53am)

It's amazing how many things which never happened before Brexit are nothing to do with Brexit.

For what it's worth, I think a re-unification of Ireland is a long way off - there isn't a huge appetite for it in the north nor the south as it stands.

 

jeeagles Flag 16 Sep 21 11.01am

Originally posted by HKOwen

If Ireland is ever reunified it will be under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, 50%+1, nothing to do with Brexit. There is no other scenario currently agreed.

If Scotland goes then the rest of the UK will benefit from a flight of capital and people from Scotland.

It's academic most likely as even the most Braveheart Scot is surely not so stupid as to vote for a country that not be viable economically.

Putting all else aside the currency problems are too big, especially around pensions.

More money for Wales and NI.

I dont think RoI really want to take on the issues of NI and so unification won't happen.

Speaking to Scots, Independence is seeming more likely. However, they can no longer rely on the price of oil and the EU would be unlikely to take them as it would risk the political relationship with the rest of the UK.

The SNP have got a good thing going in Scotland, every time they f*** up, they blame the Union. People haven't yet cottoned on to the fact they are just a bunch of small minded xenophobes that will say anything to get independence no matter the cost.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 21 11.07am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not your fault, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the refugee problem.
But we now have a small group of whining Remainers on here trying desperately to down talk Brexit and spread fear, which is all they have ever done.

Perhaps they could start a new thread, so they can all get together and whine at each other while the rest of us can get on with the now, rather than trying to fight battles that have already been lost.

I see your parallel world remains intact. There are no "whining Remainers" in the real world, either here or anywhere else. There are some hard-nosed, pragmatic realists who see things as they are, and not how they dream they might have been, if only.

The battle over the ridiculous event known as Brexit is indeed lost, and no-one is still fighting that. The war though is far from over.

With the predicted consequences now becoming the realities that are hurting everyone, it's only a question of time before the discontent turns to blame. Deflecting some of that onto the pandemic will delay the blame overwhelming the government, but not for ever. How it will resolve itself remains a mystery. Whether the Tories will move again towards the middle, whether Labour will re-invent itself again, or whether a reborn Liberal Democrat centralist party will strengthen are all possibilities.

This may well have no direct connection to why the French are not doing more to turn back the tide of undocumented migrants, but there is a link. If we can solve this problem, one of the primary reasons for Brexit will be seen as having been accomplished. Should we not, and all the signs are that we won't, then people will begin to realise that little or nothing has been gained, whilst a lot has been lost.

New battles are now joined.

 


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DanH Flag SW2 16 Sep 21 11.10am

They still don't understand what they voted for. It's still 'Project Fear' despite most the warnings coming true.

They voted to protect our borders. Now illegal immigration is far bigger a problem then it's ever been because France have no interest in cooperating and we can't get the legal migration we need to fill crucial jobs because we've made it too difficult and/or put people off coming here with our close minded rhetoric.

Edited by DanH (16 Sep 2021 11.10am)

 

HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 Sep 21 11.15am

I agree with all of this

Originally posted by jeeagles

I dont think RoI really want to take on the issues of NI and so unification won't happen.

Speaking to Scots, Independence is seeming more likely. However, they can no longer rely on the price of oil and the EU would be unlikely to take them as it would risk the political relationship with the rest of the UK.

The SNP have got a good thing going in Scotland, every time they f*** up, they blame the Union. People haven't yet cottoned on to the fact they are just a bunch of small minded xenophobes that will say anything to get independence no matter the cost.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 Sep 21 11.17am

You are still going with the " voters were too thick to understand the issues " line.

Patronising in the extreme

Originally posted by DanH

They still don't understand what they voted for. It's still 'Project Fear' despite most the warnings coming true.

They voted to protect our borders. Now illegal immigration is far bigger a problem then it's ever been because France have no interest in cooperating and we can't get the legal migration we need to fill crucial jobs because we've made it too difficult and/or put people off coming here with our close minded rhetoric.

Edited by DanH (16 Sep 2021 11.10am)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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