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 Hrolf The Ganger  13 Sep 21 9.02pm |
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Originally posted by kuge
Indeed there is no causal link. Even the link that you posted about murder rates in Jamaica says that the number of murders is falling. This book offers up a balanced view on the subject of immigration and crime and concludes that immigration does not lead to an increase in crime. Fasani, F., Mastrobuoni, G., Owens, E., & Pinotti, P. (2019). So you are still cherry picking facts and referencing opinions? I'd quit while you're behind.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Sep 21 9.04pm |
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Originally posted by kuge
People have been warning about global warming for decades. Personally, I am inclined to believe that it is too late. I have noticed that you talk big but show us nothing. The point is that we have to secure our borders and soon.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 13 Sep 21 9.12pm |
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Alas, poor yorrocks. Andrew Neil quits GB News as TV channel is branded a 'sinking ship'.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Sep 21 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Alas, poor yorrocks. Andrew Neil quits GB News as TV channel is branded a 'sinking ship'.
By Lefties, I expect.
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kuge  Peckham 13 Sep 21 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The statistics are there provided from the home office on homicides and it can't be faked unlike other stats. They go back to 1898.....it can be deliberately shown so that a comparison can be made pre and post immigration. Yet you don't address the statistics that prove a considerable increase in murder rates since the first wave of immigrants grew into adults with its mostly increases to this day......considerably higher rates than the population. These relative increases will also show the same for other violent crime. It's not just the immigration importation of significantly different cultures, it's social liberalism on families (family breakup/missing fathers) and I suspect that increases in wealth inequality also plays a role....though the stats show different rates for different groups there also and that's even controlled for wealth if you bother to look. Also I have to say, your waffle over causation doesn't hide the fact that often correlation is the cause. That fallacy is there only as a correct ballast against faulty assumptions. It is not there to dismiss the obvious. The evidence is so overwhelmingly against you that it just comes across as a leftist defending the ideology because you know that your fellow denialists are watching. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2021 5.16pm) So when you don't like the data it is fake and when you do it is ok? What you have failed to show is that there is a link between crime and immigration. I see that you want to draw a convenient line as to when the mass migrations that worries you begin. The 40,000 and 50,000 Huguenots that came to Britain between 1670 to 1710 or the 150,000 Jews that settled in Britain from the late 19th century until the early 20th century are of no concern to you? I understand that you want to start your argument with the arrival of the Empire Windrush in 1948? What you describe as 'waffle' is just information that you find difficult to deal with. The logic of your argument is shot to pieces if you resort to rubbish such as, "often correlation is the cause". This means nothing and I am pretty sure that you know it. Correlation with what? You going to have to sort yourself out regarding statistical methodology if you want to pursue this root.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Sep 21 9.29pm |
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This might be a clue.
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| kuge Peckham 13 Sep 21 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I have noticed that you talk big but show us nothing. The point is that we have to secure our borders and soon. Well, it's gratifying that we can agree on something.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Sep 21 9.38pm |
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Originally posted by kuge
So when you don't like the data it is fake and when you do it is ok? What you have failed to show is that there is a link between crime and immigration. I see that you want to draw a convenient line as to when the mass migrations that worries you begin. The 40,000 and 50,000 Huguenots that came to Britain between 1670 to 1710 or the 150,000 Jews that settled in Britain from the late 19th century until the early 20th century are of no concern to you? I understand that you want to start your argument with the arrival of the Empire Windrush in 1948? What you describe as 'waffle' is just information that you find difficult to deal with. The logic of your argument is shot to pieces if you resort to rubbish such as, "often correlation is the cause". This means nothing and I am pretty sure that you know it. Correlation with what? You going to have to sort yourself out regarding statistical methodology if you want to pursue this root. What a ridiculous post. There is no comparison between previous migrations and the current masses. Even so, crime and immigration has always been linked going back hundreds of years. Only a fool would deny that. You accuse others of what you have persistently done yourself, since you started giving us all the benefit of your dubious wisdom.
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| kuge Peckham 13 Sep 21 9.47pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you are still cherry picking facts and referencing opinions? I'd quit while you're behind. Yes, you have observed correlation, however, as I have explained and you will find this on page one of any introduction to statistics, 'correlation does not imply causation'. The statistics do not show what you want them to show. As to cherry-picking, the book is by acknowledged leaders in the field from prestigious institutions and it is published by the Cambridge University Press. The papers are academically peer reviewed.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Sep 21 9.50pm |
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Originally posted by kuge
Yes, you have observed correlation, however, as I have explained and you will find this on page one of any introduction to statistics, 'correlation does not imply causation'. The statistics do not show what you want them to show. As to cherry-picking, the book is by acknowledged leaders in the field from prestigious institutions and it is published by the Cambridge University Press. The papers are academically peer reviewed. And how do you propose we show causation? Maybe the arrest rate by ethnicity that I provided might help.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 13 Sep 21 9.50pm |
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there is no causal link between a ton of 'ethnic group x' arriving into the country and thereafter a ton of the same ethnic group ending up in prison.....
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 13 Sep 21 9.54pm |
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correlation does not prove causation ?
Eze Peasy at Anfield.... |
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