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 Kermit8  Hevon 03 Nov 16 10.47am |
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Referendum "democratic"? LOL x 2
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Rudi Hedman  Caterham 03 Nov 16 10.49am |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Sorry, why are you surprised? Have the EU and their ilk EVER respected a democratic mandate when it runs contrary to their precious project? They will do everything they can to prevent, obstruct and weaken this country and our decision. Looking forward to the European Court of Justice telling the government it is not allowed to trigger Article 50. Didn't say I was surprised. You could of course have nobody post this news on HOL. I also won't be surprised of either vote, for or against Brexit. Will so many MPs risk being accused of being subversive and undermining democracy. Interesting but not surprising that 70% of constituencies voted leave. Therefore, 70% of MPs will be under pressure to vote leave, obviously. MPs in Scotland and major cities will be free to vote remain no doubt. The client of the lawyers in this case voted leave but just wants it robe democratically through parliament.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Nov 16 10.52am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Govt can't trigger Article 50 without majority vote in favour in parliament. Well a lot of the argument over leaving the EU was around UK Parliamentary Sovereignty. As such, it would be utterly contradictory to then not have Article 50 ratified by parliamentary consent.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Nov 16 10.57am |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Sorry, why are you surprised? Have the EU and their ilk EVER respected a democratic mandate when it runs contrary to their precious project? They will do everything they can to prevent, obstruct and weaken this country and our decision. Looking forward to the European Court of Justice telling the government it is not allowed to trigger Article 50. Any democratic mandate would surely require an act of Parliament? There is more to this than just not being in the EU, and the referendum does not determine policy - just that the public voted to leave. This is really why it should have triggered a general election, rather than Conservative Party coup. There is a massive task to leave Europe, and to establish the UK outside of the European Trade Agreements etc.
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| Part Time James 03 Nov 16 11.04am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Ok so let's assume Parliament blocks the trigger with a vote. If the Brexiteers are so convinced of their position then all it will take is a few mass demonstrations and a peoples' protest-come-minor revolution over a few months a la The Poll Tax for Parliament to swiftly reverse their decision. Shouldn't be too hard to find a few million souls to take up verbal arms and placards and commit themselves to the cause if they are so convinced, should it? Even the anti-Iraq war demo managed to get two million. I thought someone said all the Brexit voters were over 60. Unless there is an intermission with tea and scones I can't see it gathering enough momentum. The above is a flippant comment in case any of you weren't aware of my reputation.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 03 Nov 16 11.06am |
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Ms May should be made to cough up the costs out of her own pocket not ours.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Nov 16 11.41am |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I suggest that if neither option wins by a 10% margin they decide this by conker fight. Obviously someone could just get lucky with their conker, so they'll each have 16 conkers each which will then be drawn into a group stage. The top 3 teams from each group will go into the next round with a playoff for the two highest pointed teams consisting of paper, scissors, stone. If the final is a draw after 90 minutes they will have a one legged bum kicking contest to decide once and for all, what we as a country MIGHT do at some point. May has 2 conkers swinging in her pocket stronger than the whole of Westminster. If Ruth Davidson and amber Rudd were leave you'd have a front row ready to bully, gauge and rip the bollox off and gnaw through any trio off Westminster pussies. Make Angela Eagle look like a baby rabbit.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Nov 16 11.58am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Surely its best not to trigger Article 50? Years of legal battles in UK and EU ahead. Businesses have no idea how to plan for the future nobody can deliver on the unknown. The EU rules and Regs are regarded by the other countries as irritating no more. The housing crisis and our mounting debts are more important IMO.
The Italian economic problems will kick start the next bomb to go off, and then there's the East European brain drain edging the EU to its likely collapse anyway.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 03 Nov 16 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
If we remain then California will be one big step closer whilst everyone can enjoy cheaper holidays to get that one extra night more p1ssed Cheaper shopping to buy the essential crisps and sweets More take aways and take away shops More gambling and gambling shops with betting terminals. If we saw this through the short term inflation and mortgage rate rises we could mend a lot of the country's ills. Export more, more and better jobs. Less welfare, less debt spirals, less reliance on large companies and shareholder greed. But no, we'll go for the short term as we usually do. All could consumer based and going round in circles with the poorest forever poor. Thing is though you would need a radical social reformist Government with the mandate, the will and the clout to make things happen as in the late 1940's. The wet blanket brigade we have had in for decades will never counter such action now or in the future and especially those from the Tory side of the fence. The idea that leaving the EU will somehow forge a positive inclusive social revolution here in the UK is la-la land territory. This whole thing is not really about Europe if you dig even slightly. It has been our own successive governments who have let so many people and the country itself down.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Nov 16 12.12pm |
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Can't beat the system. Go with the flow. Go go with the flow.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 03 Nov 16 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Surely its best not to trigger Article 50? Years of legal battles in UK and EU ahead. Businesses have no idea how to plan for the future nobody can deliver on the unknown. The EU rules and Regs are regarded by the other countries as irritating no more. The housing crisis and our mounting debts are more important IMO.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Nov 16 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Thing is though you would need a radical social reformist Government with the mandate, the will and the clout to make things happen as in the late 1940's. The wet blanket brigade we have had in for decades will never counter such action now or in the future and especially those from the Tory side of the fence. The idea that leaving the EU will somehow forge a positive inclusive social revolution here in the UK is la-la land territory. This whole thing is not really about Europe if you dig even slightly. It has been our own successive governments who have let so many people and the country itself down. Devalued currency is a good place to start, rather than deluding ourselves we're all rich and always will be when the truth is the country is gradually becoming financially poorer.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Nov 16 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
They can, if they can rule something either unconstitutional or undemocratic... but yes, for the most part.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Nov 16 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Surely its best not to trigger Article 50? Years of legal battles in UK and EU ahead. Businesses have no idea how to plan for the future nobody can deliver on the unknown. The EU rules and Regs are regarded by the other countries as irritating no more. The housing crisis and our mounting debts are more important IMO.
Best doesn't come into democracy. In fact democracy exists because the 'best systems' are inherently flawed and untrustworthy... I think that Parliament will vote to support an exit but the argument will be more about 'establishing' an exit, rather than just a yes/no.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 03 Nov 16 2.14pm |
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After the legal decision this morning:- 'Poppy means Brexit' or in reverse 'Brexit means Poppy'
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