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  Hrolf The Ganger  04 Dec 16 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well other than UK job security Let's remember that not all terrorists are necessarily terrorists when arriving in Britain or are in fact actually from somewhere else themselves. There parents might be the immigrants. With things as they are in the Middle East and some parts of Asia, I am left questioning the wisdom of allowing significant numbers of people in from those regions.
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In truth though the UK has still maintained border security, as the points of ingress into the UK, and the requirement for passport control is much more enforceable. When you consider the number of borders countries like Belgium, France and Germany have its very difficult to effectively control those borders without requiring a virtual army of immigration and police at each station, road and airport. Even then there are miles upon miles of countryside at which crossing could occur.| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 16 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Let's remember that not all terrorists are necessarily terrorists when arriving in Britain or are in fact actually from somewhere else themselves. There parents might be the immigrants. With things as they are in the Middle East and some parts of Asia, I am left questioning the wisdom of allowing significant numbers of people in from those regions.
I'd argue that some turn to fundamentalist groups as a result of the way immigrants are viewed upon and treated, or perceived to be treated, by a lot of people.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Dec 16 6.38pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'd argue that some turn to fundamentalist groups as a result of the way immigrants are viewed upon and treated, or perceived to be treated, by a lot of people. Yes, because Britain is such a terrible place to live if you are an immigrant. You live in a fantasy. If there is any reason to resent Britain, it would be our history of imperialism and exploitation of other countries. So Britain should be the last place you want to live if you harbor such resentment. If you have just developed it recently, best you move elsewhere.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 16 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yes, because Britain is such a terrible place to live if you are an immigrant. If there is any reason to resent Britain, it would be our history of imperialism and exploitation of other countries. So Britain should be the last place you want to live if you harbor such resentment. If you have just developed it recently, best you move elsewhere. For some it is yes. Thanks to the rise in hate crimes (as verified by the police) and bulls*** as fact (schools banning christmas because of upsetting immigrants being a case in point) that seems to do the rounds. it's utter s***e, but people still take it as fact as it suits their mindset. It feeds the rage, which is what certain newspapers set out to do.
Edited by nickgusset (04 Dec 2016 6.44pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Dec 16 7.04pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
For some it is yes. Thanks to the rise in hate crimes (as verified by the police) and bulls*** as fact (schools banning christmas because of upsetting immigrants being a case in point) that seems to do the rounds. it's utter s***e, but people still take it as fact as it suits their mindset. It feeds the rage, which is what certain newspapers set out to do.
Edited by nickgusset (04 Dec 2016 6.44pm) There is no excuse to take up terrorism or extremism in this country whatsoever. You are making excuses for such behaviour.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 16 7.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is no excuse to take up terrorism or extremism in this country whatsoever. You are making excuses for such behaviour. I'm not making excuses for them. It's hard to know how others must feel when they face racist / xenophobic muppets who rip muslim womens' hijabs off or daub their homes with racist graffiti, but it's bound to have an effect. as is the constant near islamaphobic nonsense we get from the media. Edited by nickgusset (04 Dec 2016 7.12pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Dec 16 7.28pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'm not making excuses for them. It's hard to know how others must feel when they face racist / xenophobic muppets who rip muslim womens' hijabs off or daub their homes with racist graffiti, but it's bound to have an effect. as is the constant near islamaphobic nonsense we get from the media. Edited by nickgusset (04 Dec 2016 7.12pm) You are talking in circles and still making excuses for extremists. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Dec 2016 7.29pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 16 7.34pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are talking in circles and still making excuses for extremists. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Dec 2016 7.29pm) And the onus is on the new home country to treat incomers fairly.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Dec 16 7.51pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
And the onus is on the new home country to treat incomers fairly. Britain is a very fair country and only a tiny minority of people indulge in the kind of behaviour you describe. To use that to excuse extremism really does demonstrate that you are away with the fairies.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 16 7.55pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Britain is a very fair country and only a tiny minority of people indulge in the kind of behaviour you describe. To use that to excuse extremism really does demonstrate that you are away with the fairies. I'm not saying it is a main cause, but the drift rightwards in the national vernacular will not endear this great nation to newcomers, and yes it will have a negative effect on some.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Dec 16 8.19pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'm not saying it is a main cause, but the drift rightwards in the national vernacular will not endear this great nation to newcomers, and yes it will have a negative effect on some. If this country is moving rightward it is because the people had mass immigration forced on them when most didn't want it. All highly predictable.I have seen little to convince me that their stance was wrong and neither have the majority it seems.
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| legaleagle 04 Dec 16 8.31pm |
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give it 5 years
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