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Originally posted by crystal balls
But it’s clearly not a ‘half truth’ or anything like it! The ‘story’ that Breits***e put out was that H Clinton ‘sold’ 20% of the US uranium stocks to Russia. That is how Breits***e reported it on their website, which was repeated by numerous other right wing sites. I'm not saying Trump's objective. Where did you get your information on the deal then?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm not saying Trump's objective. Where did you get your information on the deal then? It's got nothing to do with Trump's objective; he's just a reality game show host who's accidentally got to be President and is running with it. He never believed he'd win! This is about Robert Mercer and his stooge from Brietbart, Steve Bannon. All this is available information. Mercer owns the most successful hedge fund of all time, he has more money than just about anyone, and wants to turn the US into a cleptocracy like Russia. He wants power without responsibility or the interference of an electorate, just like Putin. Look up Carl Icahn, another of Trump's "special advisers" or Stephen Miller; these guys have all been brought into the fold and have been found wanting, for whatever reason, and booted out. Trump hasn't been treated with bias, he hasn't yet been treated for what he is. A fool.
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Originally posted by legaleagle
A dangerous fool, mind you... How so?
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Originally posted by legaleagle
A dangerous fool, mind you... Yes, but the military will never let him hear the button, thankfully! The only damage he can realistically achieve is to make America impose trade barriers. That'll f*** their economy. And ours, if we leave the EU and Trump is still in nominal charge of the US then good luck with securing a favourable trade deal Dr Fox; we're f*xed.
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Originally posted by crystal balls
Yes, but the military will never let him hear the button, thankfully! The only damage he can realistically achieve is to make America impose trade barriers. That'll f*** their economy. And ours, if we leave the EU and Trump is still in nominal charge of the US then good luck with securing a favourable trade deal Dr Fox; we're f*xed. And you'll savour every moment!
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
And you'll savour every moment! On the contrary; I’m hoping to retire within the next six or seven years; if the economy in the UK suffers over that period so do I, big time. My personal circumstances wish that we do have a strong and stable economy; my fear is that we won’t, and the signs are not good!
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Originally posted by crystal balls
Yes, but the military will never let him hear the button, thankfully! The only damage he can realistically achieve is to make America impose trade barriers. That'll f*** their economy. And ours, if we leave the EU and Trump is still in nominal charge of the US then good luck with securing a favourable trade deal Dr Fox; we're f*xed. Their economy is already f***ed. And as for Trump. or any POTUS for that matter, it's not their decision alone so sleep easy.
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Originally posted by crystal balls
It's got nothing to do with Trump's objective; he's just a reality game show host who's accidentally got to be President and is running with it. He never believed he'd win! This is about Robert Mercer and his stooge from Brietbart, Steve Bannon. All this is available information. Mercer owns the most successful hedge fund of all time, he has more money than just about anyone, and wants to turn the US into a cleptocracy like Russia. He wants power without responsibility or the interference of an electorate, just like Putin. Look up Carl Icahn, another of Trump's "special advisers" or Stephen Miller; these guys have all been brought into the fold and have been found wanting, for whatever reason, and booted out. Trump hasn't been treated with bias, he hasn't yet been treated for what he is. A fool. You complain about a Breitbart story, complaining about its bias....It's very plain you don't like Trump and his governance...got that. I'm sure I could complain and agree with certain things too. You present a different narrative for these events....again fair enough......I ask where did you get this from? You don't tell me. You just tell me to 'look up' stuff on people you don't like. I'm more interested in finding out the objective interpretations of this stuff rather than having to read all the usual 'I hate Trump' stuff. Where did you get the narrative you put forward over this Clinton/Russia story? Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 3.02am)
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
One story is about a campaign that hired a political research firm who hired an independent contractor to research their opponent. The other is about the President's son, son-in-law and campaign chairman taking a meeting with Russian spies because they were promised dirt on their opponent that came from a foreign government which was part of that foreign government's aid to the President. All of which was spelled out in the initial email to Trump Jr. Ignoring the broader aspects of the astonishing potential for Russian influence/interference/blackmail, the bottom line is that one is S.O.P. for all candidates while the other is specifically a crime under US election laws. If nothing else, that's why one is newsworthy and the other not. Edited by Ray in Houston (27 Oct 2017 8.14pm) You have this totally wrong! Don Junior met a Russian civilian for dirt on Hillary, got nothing and paid nothing. Gleefully reported by every news outlet. Meanwhile, Hillary has blamed her defeat in the election on Russia interference in dozens of interviews since Trump won. Widely reported by every news outlet. Now it emerges that Hillary and the DNC paid millions of dollars to a foreign government in Russia for dirt on Trump and got a dossier. Huge difference here. Treason anyone? This story has been buried by the media. All the while the media, over almost a year, have been pushing Hillary's narrative that Trump won the election because he colluded with the Russians. No evidence has been found for this, yet the anti-Trump media is happy to go along with the DNC and Hillary's story. After trying to put Trump in bed with the Russians, the finger now points at her. Rather ironic.
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Originally posted by crystal balls
On the contrary; I’m hoping to retire within the next six or seven years; if the economy in the UK suffers over that period so do I, big time. My personal circumstances wish that we do have a strong and stable economy; my fear is that we won’t, and the signs are not good! Unfortunately, its very likely too, it would be expected that Brexit will in a best case scenario cause short terms economic damage to the UK (as market investors will hedge their bets when it comes to change to cover their risks). Plus it with about half a million migrants living in the UK, mostly in rented accommodation - if they leave - that could cripple the UK housing market (and a lot of investments are tied up in property).
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Well I wouldn't write that off, given that there have been grand juries convened and the FBI are investigating quite a few people. Its a bit more serious than 'buying a dossier' because its clearly established that a) there are links between Trump's election campaign party / confidants are Russian agents b) That Russian hackers were complicit in cyber attacks and social media targeting in favour of Trump c) that members of Trumps election team and supporters have lied about connections with Russia. But if the Clintons have committed similar breaches, then they should also be held accountable. That they are alleged to have bought a dossier deserves investigation - And the FBI were investigating Hilary at the time of the election and were happy to announce that they were may have cost her the election. Of course Trump might be clear, he might not have been involved, but it does seem clearly that there were very questionable connections between Russian 'Diplomats' (aka Spies) and Trumps inner circle.
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Originally posted by crystal balls
It's got nothing to do with Trump's objective; he's just a reality game show host who's accidentally got to be President and is running with it. He never believed he'd win! I don't think that's true. Maybe when he first started running for the Republican primaries that might have been true - But once he started polling support, its pretty clear he had a shot at the Republican nomination - and once you've won that, you've got a very realistic chance of winning it. He might be dumb, but he's not so stupid as to think he stood no chance. Whilst its true not everyone runs for President in the early stages thinks they're going to win, by the time you're about half way into the party primaries you have a reasonable idea of your chances.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I don't think that's true. Maybe when he first started running for the Republican primaries that might have been true - But once he started polling support, its pretty clear he had a shot at the Republican nomination - and once you've won that, you've got a very realistic chance of winning it. He might be dumb, but he's not so stupid as to think he stood no chance. Whilst its true not everyone runs for President in the early stages thinks they're going to win, by the time you're about half way into the party primaries you have a reasonable idea of your chances. The Simpsons predicted President Trump. I was waiting for Adam West to become major....guess that's impossible now.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The Simpsons predicted President Trump. I was waiting for Adam West to become major....guess that's impossible now. Akria predicted that the 2020 Olympics would be held in (Neo) Tokyo. Now that to me means that the Olympic mascot has to be Kaneda or his bike. Animation seems to be prophetic...
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Akria predicted that the 2020 Olympics would be held in (Neo) Tokyo. Now that to me means that the Olympic mascot has to be Kaneda or his bike. Animation seems to be prophetic... Even Tetsuo in full end-game giant blob mode would be a better Olympic mascot that the one-eyed trouser snake we came up with for London 2012.
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
You are correct that they do not produce video content for every story they cover. But the video content they do produce portrays no negativity for the Democrats. That is false reporting, whether it's on the YouTube page, the website, their radio shows etc. It's the BBC and it's supposed to be impartial. I am specifically referring to the BBC's YouTube channel which has 1.6 million subscribers around the world. The story was buried, and you know for certain if it involved Trump, then it would have been the top story. And the BBC pumps out fake news like this: Mike Pence ignores Nasa 'do not touch' sign [Link] I mean really?? Edited by Penge Eagle (27 Oct 2017 8.00pm) I'm sure I could probably find some, but in regards to video I'd say it's more selective reporting than false reporting. Just use the main website if you want to get all of their content/coverage. I'm not sure why they even need/have a YouTube page when it's all on their own website. If you only use a selective source, or number of them, you'll get selective reporting. They don't bury things on the main news site. Mike Pence did touch a NASA piece of kit that had a a "do not touch" sign on it so how is that "fake news"? That is what nick's (repeated) links are on here, and not what the BBC produce. I'd call it pointless news, or light-hearted news, which is evident from his own responses to the stories.
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Originally posted by Stuk
I'm sure I could probably find some, but in regards to video I'd say it's more selective reporting than false reporting. Just use the main website if you want to get all of their content/coverage. I'm not sure why they even need/have a YouTube page when it's all on their own website. If you only use a selective source, or number of them, you'll get selective reporting. They don't bury things on the main news site. Mike Pence did touch a NASA piece of kit that had a a "do not touch" sign on it so how is that "fake news"? That is what nick's (repeated) links are on here, and not what the BBC produce. I'd call it pointless news, or light-hearted news, which is evident from his own responses to the stories. "If you only use a selective source, or number of them, you'll get selective reporting." That is rubbish! If you select random stories, you select them even handedly. I do use the BBC website and that too has anti-Trump and anti-Bexit bias. It's harder to argue on some days whether the order of importance of their stories on the homepage are justified. Certainly anti-Democrat stuff gets buried and anti-Trump stuff is pushed higher up the pecking order and it happens more often. But it's harder to monitor as the home page changes regularly throughout the day, unlike the YouTube page where it's obvious. Living in the UK, I always felt that Obama was this fantastic president because we never really got any negative stories on him by MSM. Speaking to people in the US and doing my own research, I can see that it's a very different story. Again, how many negative storied on him can you find? MSM certainly has an agenda. I like consuming video content and use YouTube every day for a variety of different subjects, music, news, entertainment. I find it easy to navigate and see short clips on what's happening and subscribe to many media outlets. If the BBC wants to promote its content through social media channels, then it must still adopt fair reporting. Forget the bias story selections, even its reporting on Trump is bad. Another reason why I mention its YouTube channel is because it's very easy to view the story choice at a glance and stories can't be hidden. I don't need to spend hours a week trawling their various TV and radio channels making notes on bias – its all their to see. OK, let's agree on selective reporting here then. It's not their job to do that. They are supposed to have no political bias. I look forward to seeing your tally of anti-Dem stories! And the Mike Pence story is simply a non story. It has been written in order to make Pence look stupid or ignorant and another example of MSM trying to undermine the Trump administration.
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
"If you only use a selective source, or number of them, you'll get selective reporting." That is rubbish! If you select random stories, you select them even handedly. I do use the BBC website and that too has anti-Trump and anti-Bexit bias. It's harder to argue on some days whether the order of importance of their stories on the homepage are justified. Certainly anti-Democrat stuff gets buried and anti-Trump stuff is pushed higher up the pecking order and it happens more often. But it's harder to monitor as the home page changes regularly throughout the day, unlike the YouTube page where it's obvious. Living in the UK, I always felt that Obama was this fantastic president because we never really got any negative stories on him by MSM. Speaking to people in the US and doing my own research, I can see that it's a very different story. Again, how many negative storied on him can you find? MSM certainly has an agenda. I like consuming video content and use YouTube every day for a variety of different subjects, music, news, entertainment. I find it easy to navigate and see short clips on what's happening and subscribe to many media outlets. If the BBC wants to promote its content through social media channels, then it must still adopt fair reporting. Forget the bias story selections, even its reporting on Trump is bad. Another reason why I mention its YouTube channel is because it's very easy to view the story choice at a glance and stories can't be hidden. I don't need to spend hours a week trawling their various TV and radio channels making notes on bias – its all their to see. OK, let's agree on selective reporting here then. It's not their job to do that. They are supposed to have no political bias. I look forward to seeing your tally of anti-Dem stories! And the Mike Pence story is simply a non story. It has been written in order to make Pence look stupid or ignorant and another example of MSM trying to undermine the Trump administration. Al Jazeera is the way forward.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Al Jazeera is the way forward. Another intelligent post!
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