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HKOwen Hong Kong 16 Sep 21 11.20am
Our lost voice was one vote in twenty eight. Originally posted by kuge But Brexit is very influential on the refugee problem. We have lost our voice in the EU and we are therefore unable to change future policies there. In relation to international organised crime, which is what fuels most of the people trafficking across the channel, our exit from Europol which was not even necessary post-Brexit has robbed us of valuable intelligence. It’s quite possible that the criminals presently have better cross border cooperation and coordination than the UK has. There is no need to talk down Brexit it does all its own work in that direction. We are all waiting for a single benefit to be identified, nothing is forthcoming yet. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 16 Sep 21 11.20am

Our lost voice was one vote in twenty eight.

Originally posted by kuge

But Brexit is very influential on the refugee problem. We have lost our voice in the EU and we are therefore unable to change future policies there.

In relation to international organised crime, which is what fuels most of the people trafficking across the channel, our exit from Europol which was not even necessary post-Brexit has robbed us of valuable intelligence. It’s quite possible that the criminals presently have better cross border cooperation and coordination than the UK has.

There is no need to talk down Brexit it does all its own work in that direction. We are all waiting for a single benefit to be identified, nothing is forthcoming yet.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Spiderman Horsham 16 Sep 21 11.22am
Originally posted by steeleye20 There were only 8,000 last year TE, and possibly 15,000 this. Those figures are for those crossing the Channel. You forgot the ones who travel by air and arrive with no documents, those that enter as visitors and don’t leave. Eventually when they have been allowed to stay they will bring the families over. Where do you think it should end?

Spiderman

Horsham 16 Sep 21 11.22am

Originally posted by steeleye20

There were only 8,000 last year TE, and possibly 15,000 this.

Those figures are for those crossing the Channel. You forgot the ones who travel by air and arrive with no documents, those that enter as visitors and don’t leave. Eventually when they have been allowed to stay they will bring the families over. Where do you think it should end?

DanH SW2 16 Sep 21 11.23am
Originally posted by HKOwen You are still going with the " voters were too thick to understand the issues " line. Patronising in the extreme Most still don’t seem to understand the knock on implications even though it’s now actually filtering through to real life.

DanH

SW2 16 Sep 21 11.23am

Originally posted by HKOwen

You are still going with the " voters were too thick to understand the issues " line.

Patronising in the extreme

Most still don’t seem to understand the knock on implications even though it’s now actually filtering through to real life.

Spiderman Horsham 16 Sep 21 11.28am
Originally posted by DanH They still don't understand what they voted for. It's still 'Project Fear' despite most the warnings coming true. They voted to protect our borders. Now illegal immigration is far bigger a problem then it's ever been because France have no interest in cooperating and we can't get the legal migration we need to fill crucial jobs because we've made it too difficult and/or put people off coming here with our close minded rhetoric. Edited by DanH (16 Sep 2021 11.10am) France has never had an interest in cooperating. They were more than happy to allow the migrant numbers build up on their side, as they knew that the racist UK was the desired destination. Was happening long before Brexit

Spiderman

Horsham 16 Sep 21 11.28am

Originally posted by DanH

They still don't understand what they voted for. It's still 'Project Fear' despite most the warnings coming true.

They voted to protect our borders. Now illegal immigration is far bigger a problem then it's ever been because France have no interest in cooperating and we can't get the legal migration we need to fill crucial jobs because we've made it too difficult and/or put people off coming here with our close minded rhetoric.

Edited by DanH (16 Sep 2021 11.10am)

France has never had an interest in cooperating. They were more than happy to allow the migrant numbers build up on their side, as they knew that the racist UK was the desired destination. Was happening long before Brexit

DanH SW2 16 Sep 21 11.29am
Originally posted by Spiderman France has never had an interest in cooperating. They were more than happy to allow the migrant numbers build up on their side, as they knew that the racist UK was the desired destination. Was happening long before Brexit True. Now we can’t even share information with them though. It’s only made it worse, not any better.

DanH

SW2 16 Sep 21 11.29am

Originally posted by Spiderman

True. Now we can’t even share information with them though. It’s only made it worse, not any better.

Spiderman Horsham 16 Sep 21 11.31am
Originally posted by DanH True. Now we can’t even share information with them though. It’s only made it worse, not any better. We do share information, don’t believe all you read. Just to back up my previous post [Link]

Spiderman

Horsham 16 Sep 21 11.31am

Originally posted by DanH

True. Now we can’t even share information with them though. It’s only made it worse, not any better.

We do share information, don’t believe all you read.
Just to back up my previous post

[Link]

steeleye20 Croydon 16 Sep 21 11.44am
As an EU partner France was more than co-operative, in fact it had to pay for the operation, which it sees as a UK border and ex-colonial UK issue using their own country as a conduit. And even now they are working to make the crossings safer. France has an enviable record on asylum taking 4 times as many as the UK and has been widely praised for its prompt humanitarian airlift from Afghanistan. The UK never thought any of its brexit issues through and its daily round of failures are simply its own fault. Anyone could see that brexit would increase immigration as is proving to be the case.

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Sep 21 11.44am

As an EU partner France was more than co-operative, in fact it had to pay for the operation, which it sees as a UK border and ex-colonial UK issue using their own country as a conduit.

And even now they are working to make the crossings safer.

France has an enviable record on asylum taking 4 times as many as the UK and has been widely praised for its prompt humanitarian airlift from Afghanistan.

The UK never thought any of its brexit issues through and its daily round of failures are simply its own fault.

Anyone could see that brexit would increase immigration as is proving to be the case.

jeeagles 16 Sep 21 11.45am
Originally posted by DanH They still don't understand what they voted for. It's still 'Project Fear' despite most the warnings coming true. They voted to protect our borders. Now illegal immigration is far bigger a problem then it's ever been because France have no interest in cooperating and we can't get the legal migration we need to fill crucial jobs because we've made it too difficult and/or put people off coming here with our close minded rhetoric. Edited by DanH (16 Sep 2021 11.10am) Many don't, and still don't. But the same could be said of remain. Many remain voters who said this couldn't name their MEP or even explain how the EU functioned. The biggest issue we had was that UKIP held our biggest voting block and they had no interest in doing anything positive with that vote. The rest of the major parties couldn't get their act together and encourage people to turn up an vote. In contrast, the German's held the biggest single political party block, which meant they had MEP's in every department and committee working to serve their own best interest. Reluctantly, the whole thing is a bit of a s***show. MEP's are always going to be self serving with no real remit. We were never going to reform it and never going to take European elections seriously. Leaving was an unnecessary risk, but if we keep a close alignment with a bit of room for flexibility (ie that vaccine contracts) then we might realise that opportunity that being out is better than being in. Having a land boarder with the EU might eventually give us a stronger negotiating position than being in the EU. Project fear hasn't really happened as much as many predicted. If anything big business no longer have access to cheap labour which is driving up wages whilst house prices have slowed down. The thing to do now isn't to go on about rejoining, but try and shape it into an opportunity.

jeeagles

16 Sep 21 11.45am

Originally posted by DanH

They still don't understand what they voted for. It's still 'Project Fear' despite most the warnings coming true.

Edited by DanH (16 Sep 2021 11.10am)

Many don't, and still don't. But the same could be said of remain. Many remain voters who said this couldn't name their MEP or even explain how the EU functioned.

The biggest issue we had was that UKIP held our biggest voting block and they had no interest in doing anything positive with that vote. The rest of the major parties couldn't get their act together and encourage people to turn up an vote.

In contrast, the German's held the biggest single political party block, which meant they had MEP's in every department and committee working to serve their own best interest.

Reluctantly, the whole thing is a bit of a s***show. MEP's are always going to be self serving with no real remit. We were never going to reform it and never going to take European elections seriously.

Leaving was an unnecessary risk, but if we keep a close alignment with a bit of room for flexibility (ie that vaccine contracts) then we might realise that opportunity that being out is better than being in.

Having a land boarder with the EU might eventually give us a stronger negotiating position than being in the EU.

Project fear hasn't really happened as much as many predicted. If anything big business no longer have access to cheap labour which is driving up wages whilst house prices have slowed down.

The thing to do now isn't to go on about rejoining, but try and shape it into an opportunity.

cryrst The garden of England 16 Sep 21 11.48am
Originally posted by DanH In what world do you think I support the Taliban? No just the thinking.

cryrst

The garden of England 16 Sep 21 11.48am

Originally posted by DanH

In what world do you think I support the Taliban?

No just the thinking.

DanH SW2 16 Sep 21 12.05pm
Originally posted by Spiderman We do share information, don’t believe all you read. Just to back up my previous post [Link] Of course we do but we've lost access to the main information exchange. [Link]

DanH

SW2 16 Sep 21 12.05pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

We do share information, don’t believe all you read.
Just to back up my previous post

[Link]

Of course we do but we've lost access to the main information exchange.

[Link]

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Sep 21 12.10pm
Originally posted by cryrst No just the thinking. So a self-declared feminist supports the thinking of the Taliban? That's some logic

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 16 Sep 21 12.10pm

Originally posted by cryrst

No just the thinking.

So a self-declared feminist supports the thinking of the Taliban? That's some logic

Stirlingsays 16 Sep 21 12.17pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC LOLE Ironic. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Sep 21 12.17pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

LOLE

Ironic.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 16 Sep 21 12.18pm
Can't we do all this stuff in a thread better suited to it? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Sep 21 12.18pm

Can't we do all this stuff in a thread better suited to it?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Spiderman Horsham 16 Sep 21 12.34pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 As an EU partner France was more than co-operative, in fact it had to pay for the operation, which it sees as a UK border and ex-colonial UK issue using their own country as a conduit. And even now they are working to make the crossings safer. France has an enviable record on asylum taking 4 times as many as the UK and has been widely praised for its prompt humanitarian airlift from Afghanistan. The UK never thought any of its brexit issues through and its daily round of failures are simply its own fault. Anyone could see that brexit would increase immigration as is proving to be the case. Working to make the crossings safer? They should be working to stop them. I have seen many examples of the non-cooperation but you seem to know better,

Spiderman

Horsham 16 Sep 21 12.34pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

As an EU partner France was more than co-operative, in fact it had to pay for the operation, which it sees as a UK border and ex-colonial UK issue using their own country as a conduit.

And even now they are working to make the crossings safer.

France has an enviable record on asylum taking 4 times as many as the UK and has been widely praised for its prompt humanitarian airlift from Afghanistan.

The UK never thought any of its brexit issues through and its daily round of failures are simply its own fault.

Anyone could see that brexit would increase immigration as is proving to be the case.

Working to make the crossings safer? They should be working to stop them.
I have seen many examples of the non-cooperation but you seem to know better,

Hrolf The Ganger 16 Sep 21 12.45pm
Originally posted by kuge But Brexit is very influential on the refugee problem. We have lost our voice in the EU and we are therefore unable to change future policies there. In relation to international organised crime, which is what fuels most of the people trafficking across the channel, our exit from Europol which was not even necessary post-Brexit has robbed us of valuable intelligence. It’s quite possible that the criminals presently have better cross border cooperation and coordination than the UK has. There is no need to talk down Brexit it does all its own work in that direction. We are all waiting for a single benefit to be identified, nothing is forthcoming yet. You don't really expect civility after your previous posts. Take your Brexit negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine. It's easy to come on here to mock, criticize and insult. Any Joe can do that. It requires no substance. You think that membership of the EU would benefit us in the long run as regards refugees and international crime? You are deluded. Remember. Most of the international crime that affects Britain occurs because of the immigration policy that fools like you support. If we are not protecting our own borders properly, that is a matter for the British government to deal with. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Sep 2021 12.46pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

16 Sep 21 12.45pm

Originally posted by kuge

But Brexit is very influential on the refugee problem. We have lost our voice in the EU and we are therefore unable to change future policies there.

There is no need to talk down Brexit it does all its own work in that direction. We are all waiting for a single benefit to be identified, nothing is forthcoming yet.

You don't really expect civility after your previous posts. Take your Brexit negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine.
It's easy to come on here to mock, criticize and insult. Any Joe can do that. It requires no substance.

You think that membership of the EU would benefit us in the long run as regards refugees and international crime? You are deluded.

Remember. Most of the international crime that affects Britain occurs because of the immigration policy that fools like you support.
If we are not protecting our own borders properly, that is a matter for the British government to deal with.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Sep 2021 12.46pm)

PalazioVecchio south pole 16 Sep 21 12.58pm
Originally posted by HKOwen If Ireland is ever reunified it will be under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, 50%+1, nothing to do with Brexit. There is no other scenario currently agreed. If Scotland goes then the rest of the UK will benefit from a flight of capital and people from Scotland. It's academic most likely as even the most Braveheart Scot is surely not so stupid as to vote for a country that likely will not be viable economically. Putting all else aside the currency problems are too big, especially around pensions. More money for Wales and NI. Edited by HKOwen (16 Sep 2021 10.53am) nobody want a united Ireland. Except for a few nutter Shinners...LGBT, BLM, Feminist action, Abortion, Palestine & a United Ireland. even the hardcore 'RA heads of Kerry have no interest in getting Arlene Foster into the Dáil. Ulster ? you broke it, you can keep it mate. ''nice to handle, nice to hold, but when it breaks, call it sold'' Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Sep 2021 1.00pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 16 Sep 21 12.58pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

If Ireland is ever reunified it will be under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, 50%+1, nothing to do with Brexit. There is no other scenario currently agreed.

If Scotland goes then the rest of the UK will benefit from a flight of capital and people from Scotland.

It's academic most likely as even the most Braveheart Scot is surely not so stupid as to vote for a country that likely will not be viable economically.

Putting all else aside the currency problems are too big, especially around pensions.

More money for Wales and NI.

Edited by HKOwen (16 Sep 2021 10.53am)

nobody want a united Ireland. Except for a few nutter Shinners...LGBT, BLM, Feminist action, Abortion, Palestine & a United Ireland.

even the hardcore 'RA heads of Kerry have no interest in getting Arlene Foster into the Dáil.

Ulster ? you broke it, you can keep it mate.

''nice to handle, nice to hold, but when it breaks, call it sold''

Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Sep 2021 1.00pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

jeeagles 16 Sep 21 1.08pm
Originally posted by cryrst No just the thinking. Just what thinking is that? A land when if you don't belong to a set ethnicity or religion you get persecuted? A land where women and homosexuals are persecuted? A land where stepping outside of a very strict set of behaviors persecuted. The hateful, racists, core idiology of the far right and the taliban are very closely aligned.

jeeagles

16 Sep 21 1.08pm

Originally posted by cryrst

No just the thinking.

Just what thinking is that?

A land when if you don't belong to a set ethnicity or religion you get persecuted?
A land where women and homosexuals are persecuted?
A land where stepping outside of a very strict set of behaviors persecuted.

The hateful, racists, core idiology of the far right and the taliban are very closely aligned.

jeeagles 16 Sep 21 1.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You don't really expect civility after your previous posts. Take your Brexit negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine. It's easy to come on here to mock, criticize and insult. Any Joe can do that. It requires no substance. You think that membership of the EU would benefit us in the long run as regards refugees and international crime? You are deluded. Remember. Most of the international crime that affects Britain occurs because of the immigration policy that fools like you support. If we are not protecting our own borders properly, that is a matter for the British government to deal with. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Sep 2021 12.46pm) Aww Hrolf.... trying to cancel people who show you up again. Why not, try and be successful, then you won't have to worry about immigrants stealing crappy jobs and council flats.

jeeagles

16 Sep 21 1.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You think that membership of the EU would benefit us in the long run as regards refugees and international crime? You are deluded.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Sep 2021 12.46pm)

Aww Hrolf.... trying to cancel people who show you up again.

Why not, try and be successful, then you won't have to worry about immigrants stealing crappy jobs and council flats.

jeeagles 16 Sep 21 1.13pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio nobody want a united Ireland. Except for a few nutter Shinners...LGBT, BLM, Feminist action, Abortion, Palestine & a United Ireland. even the hardcore 'RA heads of Kerry have no interest in getting Arlene Foster into the Dáil. Ulster ? you broke it, you can keep it mate. ''nice to handle, nice to hold, but when it breaks, call it sold'' Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Sep 2021 1.00pm) I can tell your getting angry simply by looking at the difficulties you are having using your keyboard.

jeeagles

16 Sep 21 1.13pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

nobody want a united Ireland. Except for a few nutter Shinners...LGBT, BLM, Feminist action, Abortion, Palestine & a United Ireland.

even the hardcore 'RA heads of Kerry have no interest in getting Arlene Foster into the Dáil.

Ulster ? you broke it, you can keep it mate.

''nice to handle, nice to hold, but when it breaks, call it sold''

Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Sep 2021 1.00pm)

I can tell your getting angry simply by looking at the difficulties you are having using your keyboard.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Sep 21 1.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ironic. Irony AND sarcasm actually. 2 for 1 today Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 16 Sep 21 1.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ironic.

Irony AND sarcasm actually. 2 for 1 today

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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