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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Jun 24 8.14am

Originally posted by YT

It's bound to be a Mercedes.

LOL

 


One more point

PatrickA Flag London 26 Jun 24 9.17am

I haven’t seen Eze’s contract and doubt that anybody on this site has either.

However, if it is true that it includes a release clause which clubs are currently seeking to exercise, it puts further emphasis on the point which I raised earlier in this discussion.
I have been surprised by the relaxed attitude of many to Olise’s potential departure via a release clause.
Will they be as relaxed if we lose Eze in the same way in this window?

I disagree that our only option is to include the clauses if we want to sign these players.

There’s another option which is to sign players who want to play for the club and are not looking for an exit before the ink is barely dry on the contract.

There’s an argument that it gives the club certainty if a sale is made.
However, does anybody seriously think £50-60 million is a fair market value for Olise?
If there was a bidding war in the absence of such clause it would likely to be closer to £100 million.

I know if we sell Eze and Olise with release clauses we will make far more money than we paid for them.
Great, but at what cost to the team and preparations for next season.

Furthermore, let’s hire Brighton’s negotiator to prepare the release clauses.
£115m for Caceido
£60m for Cucerella.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Jun 24 9.31am

Originally posted by PatrickA

I haven’t seen Eze’s contract and doubt that anybody on this site has either.

However, if it is true that it includes a release clause which clubs are currently seeking to exercise, it puts further emphasis on the point which I raised earlier in this discussion.
I have been surprised by the relaxed attitude of many to Olise’s potential departure via a release clause.
Will they be as relaxed if we lose Eze in the same way in this window?

I disagree that our only option is to include the clauses if we want to sign these players.

There’s another option which is to sign players who want to play for the club and are not looking for an exit before the ink is barely dry on the contract.

There’s an argument that it gives the club certainty if a sale is made.
However, does anybody seriously think £50-60 million is a fair market value for Olise?
If there was a bidding war in the absence of such clause it would likely to be closer to £100 million.

I know if we sell Eze and Olise with release clauses we will make far more money than we paid for them.
Great, but at what cost to the team and preparations for next season.

Furthermore, let’s hire Brighton’s negotiator to prepare the release clauses.
£115m for Caceido
£60m for Cucerella.

These players cost Brighton around £20 Mill in transfer fees.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 26 Jun 24 9.34am

Originally posted by PatrickA

I haven’t seen Eze’s contract and doubt that anybody on this site has either.

However, if it is true that it includes a release clause which clubs are currently seeking to exercise, it puts further emphasis on the point which I raised earlier in this discussion.
I have been surprised by the relaxed attitude of many to Olise’s potential departure via a release clause.
Will they be as relaxed if we lose Eze in the same way in this window?

I disagree that our only option is to include the clauses if we want to sign these players.

There’s another option which is to sign players who want to play for the club and are not looking for an exit before the ink is barely dry on the contract.

There’s an argument that it gives the club certainty if a sale is made.
However, does anybody seriously think £50-60 million is a fair market value for Olise?
If there was a bidding war in the absence of such clause it would likely to be closer to £100 million.

I know if we sell Eze and Olise with release clauses we will make far more money than we paid for them.
Great, but at what cost to the team and preparations for next season.

Furthermore, let’s hire Brighton’s negotiator to prepare the release clauses.
£115m for Caceido
£60m for Cucerella.

My take is that both Olise and Eze would only sign new contracts provided a release clause was included. If the club had not done so then it's possible that both players ( Olise certainly ) would have already left the club.

Agree that the amount of the release clause seems heavily weighted in favour of the players in these cases. Olise is certainly worth far more than Palace are receiving for him.

In terms of Caceido and Cucerella, my understanding was that Caceido didn't have a fee attached to his release clause and Cucurella didn't have one at all. But it seems ridiculous that Brighton were able to extract those sums for those players.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Jun 24 9.45am

Originally posted by NEILLO

My take is that both Olise and Eze would only sign new contracts provided a release clause was included. If the club had not done so then it's possible that both players ( Olise certainly ) would have already left the club.

Agree that the amount of the release clause seems heavily weighted in favour of the players in these cases. Olise is certainly worth far more than Palace are receiving for him.

In terms of Caceido and Cucerella, my understanding was that Caceido didn't have a fee attached to his release clause and Cucurella didn't have one at all. But it seems ridiculous that Brighton were able to extract those sums for those players.

Both were signed by Chelsea last season when the club embarked on a gargantuan spending spree, purchasing 11 players.

Edited by Willo (26 Jun 2024 9.46am)

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 26 Jun 24 10.07am

In the case of Olise , maybe built in the clause was the demand only a major club outside of the Premier league could deal. Failing that maybe no premier side could meet a financial demand, in fact that’s what some have claimed . Either way it seems any effort by a home club to trigger a release clause was only possible at great expense.
Whatever the truth, I can,t see why Eze,s contract would be any the easier to open so if no one in the premier could afford Olise, it wouldn’t seem likely Spurs have any chance.

 

eritheagle Flag Erith 26 Jun 24 10.07am

Originally posted by PatrickA

I haven’t seen Eze’s contract and doubt that anybody on this site has either.

However, if it is true that it includes a release clause which clubs are currently seeking to exercise, it puts further emphasis on the point which I raised earlier in this discussion.
I have been surprised by the relaxed attitude of many to Olise’s potential departure via a release clause.
Will they be as relaxed if we lose Eze in the same way in this window?

I disagree that our only option is to include the clauses if we want to sign these players.

There’s another option which is to sign players who want to play for the club and are not looking for an exit before the ink is barely dry on the contract.

There’s an argument that it gives the club certainty if a sale is made.
However, does anybody seriously think £50-60 million is a fair market value for Olise?
If there was a bidding war in the absence of such clause it would likely to be closer to £100 million.

I know if we sell Eze and Olise with release clauses we will make far more money than we paid for them.
Great, but at what cost to the team and preparations for next season.

Furthermore, let’s hire Brighton’s negotiator to prepare the release clauses.
£115m for Caceido
£60m for Cucerella.

It's been said by many journo's close to Palace that Olise is the only one with release clause. I'm not sure though as though Eze was £60m with £8m added on to him and QPR.

It's also often been said he hasn't got a release clause but has a gentleman's agreement with Parish that he can leave this summer if a suitable bid comes in.

 

Eagle-Trucker Flag Cashel , Co Tipp 26 Jun 24 10.54am

Originally posted by YT

It's bound to be a Mercedes.

-.-' -.-'

 


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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 26 Jun 24 10.59am

Originally posted by YT

It's bound to be a Mercedes.


Although all the players have to drive Audi cars as part of their contract and drive them to training.

 

Dubai Eagle Flag 26 Jun 24 11.05am

Part of the problem with release clauses (at least for the selling club) is that a players market value can change fast, what seems like a reasonable release clause one day can seem ridiculously undervalued just a few weeks later.

Originally posted by NEILLO

My take is that both Olise and Eze would only sign new contracts provided a release clause was included. If the club had not done so then it's possible that both players ( Olise certainly ) would have already left the club.

Agree that the amount of the release clause seems heavily weighted in favour of the players in these cases. Olise is certainly worth far more than Palace are receiving for him.

In terms of Caceido and Cucerella, my understanding was that Caceido didn't have a fee attached to his release clause and Cucurella didn't have one at all. But it seems ridiculous that Brighton were able to extract those sums for those players.

 

Palace in the Blood Flag 26 Jun 24 11.16am

Of course only people very close to release clauses know all the details. We know that Olise was complicated and involved a percentage to reading and player. I think it also had a time limit which is it had to be completed by 30th June (this year's finance cut off point). The figure of 50m now in the press maybe what we get after others have been paid as I suspect clause made buying club pay them direct. I think Eze is a little different I don't think he has a release clause but a gentleman agreement for an acceptable offer ie we will not stand in his way. Again this may have time limits attached He also was rejected by a number of clubs so may be more inclined to stay where he is happy. Olise had a number of clubs as a youth player but moved by choice to further his career. I may being overly hopeful but I think Eze will give us another year

 

Dubai Eagle Flag 26 Jun 24 11.40am

If Eze has a gentlemen's agreement with SP-something along the
lines of: "if we receive an acceptable offer for your services of course we wouldn't stand in your way"- Seems clear enough,
doesn't it ?

Who is to say what an acceptable offer looks like ?
Presumably SP / the club-

 

Runningman Flag Keston 26 Jun 24 12.21pm

Suspect that our players look at what happened to Zaha, who apparently had a gentleman’s agreement etc. If it were me I’d rather control my own future and that means insisting on a release clause.

 

PatrickA Flag London 26 Jun 24 12.25pm

Some clubs on the continent are putting release clauses of £150 million on talented youngsters to keep predators out of the way.
It is probably less easy to do when the youngsters have already made a name for themselves, but you could see the attraction for clubs like Palace to stop this incessant speculation every few months.
For example, Wharton only signed a few months ago and looks to gave a great future.
If release clauses are now so much part of the game let's put prohibitive release provision clauses in contracts like they do on the continent so we don't sell players like Olise so far below market value if a situation arises where a sale is to be made.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Jun 24 12.40pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Some clubs on the continent are putting release clauses of £150 million on talented youngsters to keep predators out of the way.
It is probably less easy to do when the youngsters have already made a name for themselves, but you could see the attraction for clubs like Palace to stop this incessant speculation every few months.
For example, Wharton only signed a few months ago and looks to gave a great future.
If release clauses are now so much part of the game let's put prohibitive release provision clauses in contracts like they do on the continent so we don't sell players like Olise so far below market value if a situation arises where a sale is to be made.

Two years ago there were several with €1 bn release clauses. Now Bellingham has the same and probably some others.

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 26 Jun 24 1.18pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Some clubs on the continent are putting release clauses of £150 million on talented youngsters to keep predators out of the way.
It is probably less easy to do when the youngsters have already made a name for themselves, but you could see the attraction for clubs like Palace to stop this incessant speculation every few months.
For example, Wharton only signed a few months ago and looks to gave a great future.
If release clauses are now so much part of the game let's put prohibitive release provision clauses in contracts like they do on the continent so we don't sell players like Olise so far below market value if a situation arises where a sale is to be made.

Needless to say that it requires the player to agree to that condition.

Suspect we wouldn't have been able to sign Olise without agreeing to put in a modest clause

 

PatrickA Flag London 26 Jun 24 1.25pm

On his recent contract, I agree it may well have been difficult.
But not on his initial contract.
It protects the club's interests if the player turn into a superstar and at stage the balance of negotiating power is certainly on the club's side.

 

Houston Eagle Flag Houston 26 Jun 24 1.32pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

My take is that both Olise and Eze would only sign new contracts provided a release clause was included. If the club had not done so then it's possible that both players ( Olise certainly ) would have already left the club.

Agree that the amount of the release clause seems heavily weighted in favour of the players in these cases. Olise is certainly worth far more than Palace are receiving for him.

In terms of Caceido and Cucerella, my understanding was that Caceido didn't have a fee attached to his release clause and Cucurella didn't have one at all. But it seems ridiculous that Brighton were able to extract those sums for those players.

Unfortunately we missed out last year on the absolute stupidity of the new Chelsea management who had a billion to waste in an attempt to buy success.

It was Brighton’s good fortune that there was a mug around the corner at just the right time to be fleeced!

 

The Dolphin Flag 26 Jun 24 1.48pm

Regardless of clauses etc. - once the clause has been triggered I suspect that it is up to the player who he joins.
I.E - if Man Utd had offered £100m but Olise wanted to join Bayern for £60m - the release amount - then I guess that he is free to do so.

 

PatrickA Flag London 26 Jun 24 2.05pm

It would depend upon the wording of the clause, but I think this is broadly correct.
It reinforces that these provisions are more likely to be in the player's interest.
It would be preferable to have a minimum value e.g offers over £60 million so that in your example Bayern have to match Man Utd's offer to take Olise.

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Regardless of clauses etc. - once the clause has been triggered I suspect that it is up to the player who he joins.
I.E - if Man Utd had offered £100m but Olise wanted to join Bayern for £60m - the release amount - then I guess that he is free to do so.

 

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