what a horrific day. video footage from mobile phones lends these atrocities a strange new angle. sky keep showing one tube carriage just after the explosion where everyone's filing off the tube, all totally calm. amazing. hopefully we'll never know what it's like to be in a situation like that. for some, the tragedy's only just begun. i remember seeing an interview with the father of one of the heysel victims. he said people who talk about the heysel tragedy are wrong. there are thousands of heysel tragedies – survivors losing the plot, and relatives of the victims likewise. this'll be the same.
a real f***ed up world we live in.

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''careful Penny - we don't know what we're dealing with here''

It times like this you realise how lucky you are in life having loved ones around you ect. The picture that I saw on (I think) Sky, from a mobile phone where they were just walking down the tunnel calm and compesed left me in awe.

After seeing that picture,I am confident that despite the awfull tradegy that we have what it takes to be proud of our (fairly) free democratic society and that we will no doubt rise above thees murdering assholes.

Was it just me or was Ken Livingston's speech from Singapoore a very passionate way of saying "f*** YOU!" to the terroists. I don't like the guy to be honest with you, but I felt his speech was passionate, well put, and sumed up what London stands for. I thought he was gonna break down at one point. His face was a mixture of dibalief, sadness and anger.

The one thing that bothered? I can't put my finger on why. But it was Mr Bush's speach after the joint statemant from Gleneagles. All the talk of "The War on Terror" ect. It bugs me.

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I thought that at first, but then it wouldn't make any sense. They had no way of knowing if London would win the bid. Given Al Quida's history it would make more sense for them to attack during the G8 meetings. Having the leaders of the 8 richest countries in the world so close to the terrorist attack makes whatever point they were trying to make all the more forcefull.

I also belive that if we hadn't of been charing the G8 meeting they would have doen somethign like this before the general elaction in steadd, ala the Madrid train bombings.

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And then end up with a neverending war where no-one is safe? Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I have heard all day.

And anyway, he supports the Arab cause. So what? It's as if you are saying all Arabs are terrorist.

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I have to agree Cucking. I've just read the post too, he does not say Arabs are terrorists.

Do people not have an argument, and thus are having to play the race card where it is clearly not appropriate.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

The current 'scenario' the authorities are looking at is that the bus bomb wasn't intentional. The bus may well have been carrying a bomber and the device went off before getting to the intended target.

When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

Good post.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

But, what do you do against a group of people who are willing to blow themselves up to kill you ?
A group like this is not a country that can easily be hit back at.
Im sure there will be some airstrike against some terrorist training camps in non-friendly countries in the new future.

To know thine enemy, is half way to defeating him, and thats the problem, the west dont know their enemy at all, if they did, they wouldnt be doing the crap they are in the middle east.

As to the attack itself, they have tried more dramatic stuff, like chemical, but the more complicated the attack, the more likelyhood of it being found out.
So they resorted to the plain old big bangs, and it worked.

Over here, the CIA's unofficialy viewpoint on terrorist attacks is that sooner or later they will successfully detonate a dirty bomb over here, with 40-80 thousand deaths in the fallout.
Will the US then retaliate with nukes of its own ? and against who ?

Either way, im hoping they deal with these guys the same as they did that IRA cell in Gibraltor many years ago...

When is Bakri's next gathering?

Is anything going to be done about scum like him preaching hatred?

I suspect not.

"Technically, I've been bummed". - Matt_Himself , Barcelona, Jan 2005

I suspect he'll be 'advised' not to go ahead with it. The police can prevent any such gathering if there are public order implications and, in this case, there sure as sh*t would be.