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Part Time James Flag 07 Nov 16 4.49pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

To be fair much of the remain vote didnt feel the need for a referendum at all. And it was Forage that said a 52/48 vote the other way would be "unfinished Business" so I dont think hindsight is the issu. It is just that large numbers on either side were never going to accept the vote

No, a lot of the Remainers were so confident no one would vote to leave they kept all their petitions and protests and legal challenges for after the deed was done. Everyone went to the polling booth to vote in something that had been annotated "We will carry out what you decide", it wasn't just on the paperwork for the Brexiteers.

 




jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 07 Nov 16 4.51pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Didn't the Conservatives get in after promising a referendum?

Yes. They did, and their party was clearly quite split over the outcome.

I think a lot of this stems from the fact that people want to leave the EU, but don't really care too much about what that would entail. They just want out, now, and to hit the magic 'reset to 1970' button.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 07 Nov 16 4.51pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

No, not in English law.

See my response to Jamie just before.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Nov 16 4.52pm

If we don't get hard Brexit, I see a massive protest vote by the 52% which could spell very bad news for Tory and Labour alike at the next election. That will come sooner if Parliament doesn't approve it.

 

Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 07 Nov 16 4.52pm

Originally posted by elgrande

But the vote in 1972,was for the common market, not the huge juggernaut that the EU has become.


He wasn't called traitor Heath for nothing.

Abuse isn't the same thing as debate. Other than the far right perhaps I don't recall anyone using the term "Traitor Heath" and guess what things evolved over the last 40 years or so. Thank god we didnt stay the same as 1972 when we were a complete basket case.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 07 Nov 16 5.03pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Abuse isn't the same thing as debate. Other than the far right perhaps I don't recall anyone using the term "Traitor Heath" and guess what things evolved over the last 40 years or so. Thank god we didnt stay the same as 1972 when we were a complete basket case.

perhaps he means Sailor Heath ?

 

Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 07 Nov 16 5.06pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

perhaps he means Sailor Heath ?

Indeed

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 07 Nov 16 5.11pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Indeed

Or Grocer Heath.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 07 Nov 16 5.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If we don't get hard Brexit, I see a massive protest vote by the 52% which could spell very bad news for Tory and Labour alike at the next election. That will come sooner if Parliament doesn't approve it.

I think you way over-estimate how many of the 52% give a sh1t either way hard or soft. With regards to the single market and free movement it was apparent that the Europeans coming here weren't the real problem for some but more the possibility of darker-skinned refugees/migrants Muslims, etc,making their way over through the EU which is exactly why the right-wing media and Nigel presented their case as such.

As it stood last year migration to the UK from African, Middle Eastern and Asian countries was pretty much the same as from the EU. That won't be changing much any time soon.


 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 07 Nov 16 5.15pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Didn't the Conservatives get in after promising a referendum?

Yes but my point still stands. The most UKIP have ever had support wise for a poll is 24%. Which to me says 76% weren't so bothered about a referendum.

 


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Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 07 Nov 16 5.21pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Or Grocer Heath.

Wasnt that Maggie. Also he was involved in the Normandy landings so the traitor s*** is even cheaper than normal

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Nov 16 5.24pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I think you way over-estimate how many of the 52% give a sh1t either way hard or soft. With regards to the single market and free movement it was apparent that the Europeans coming here weren't the real problem for some but more the possibility of darker-skinned refugees/migrants Muslims, etc,making their way over through the EU which is exactly why the right-wing media and Nigel presented their case as such.

As it stood last year migration to the UK from African, Middle Eastern and Asian countries was pretty much the same as from the EU. That won't be changing much any time soon.


Baby steps Kermy. People voted for what the Brexit campaign promised. That for most was control of European immigration for one thing.
You remoaners have shown how honourable you are when it comes to it. You are full of moral fortitiude right up until you have to demonstrate some.
You won't be happy until the Leavers are on the march and UKIP are winning seats. You all need to stop.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 07 Nov 16 5.47pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Abuse isn't the same thing as debate. Other than the far right perhaps I don't recall anyone using the term "Traitor Heath" and guess what things evolved over the last 40 years or so. Thank god we didnt stay the same as 1972 when we were a complete basket case.

Really you don't recall anyone calling heath that.....I remember it coming front quite a few (of all parties) at the time.
And I wonder why we were a complete basket case as you are saying.
The unions had us all by the short and curlys,3 day week power cuts.
Selective memories of people I think.
The agreement was for us to have closer trading ties with European countries,not a federal state.


 


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elgrande Flag bedford 07 Nov 16 5.49pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

perhaps he means Sailor Heath ?

And please don't label me with a far right tag...or any other tag you do not know anything about me or my politics.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 07 Nov 16 5.51pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Wasnt that Maggie. Also he was involved in the Normandy landings so the traitor s*** is even cheaper than normal

The 'Grocer' epithet originated in Private Eye after his promise to reduce the cost of the weekly grocery shopping.

He was also known as 'Sailor' not just because of his yachting activities but because of his alleged preference for seamen.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 07 Nov 16 6.06pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

The 'Grocer' epithet originated in Private Eye after his promise to reduce the cost of the weekly grocery shopping.

He was also known as 'Sailor' not just because of his yachting activities but because of his alleged preference for seamen.

Why would anyone be interested in the private eye.

Heath was a yachtsman his boat Morning Cloud they nicknamed him Sailor Heath from that and nothing like the disgusting references you make - still he's dead isn't he so you can make them.

You called yourself by the right name so why did you alter it?

 

.TUX. Flag 07 Nov 16 6.06pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Really you don't recall anyone calling heath that.....I remember it coming front quite a few (of all parties) at the time.
And I wonder why we were a complete basket case as you are saying.
The unions had us all by the short and curlys,3 day week power cuts.
Selective memories of people I think.
The agreement was for us to have closer trading ties with European countries,not a federal state.


Absolutely. Some also forget to mention that the global economy at the time was in chaos

The end of the Bretton-Woods system in '71 (where currencies were tied to gold, ie something tangible) allowed the banking sector to print money like it was going out of fashion (ring any bells?) causing massive inflation and everything that comes with it.
Chuck into the mix a global energy crisis and ANY party at the time would have died a death under these conditions.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 07 Nov 16 6.14pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Absolutely. Some also forget to mention that the global economy at the time was in chaos

The end of the Bretton-Woods system in '71 (where currencies were tied to gold, ie something tangible) allowed the banking sector to print money like it was going out of fashion (ring any bells?) causing massive inflation and everything that comes with it.
Chuck into the mix a global energy crisis and ANY party at the time would have died a death under these conditions.

I agree tux,heath or Wilson were totally f***ed with whatever they did,a million people unemployed.
Heath himself I think put 2.5 billion into the economy with little or no effect.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 07 Nov 16 6.14pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Why would anyone be interested in the private eye.

Heath was a yachtsman his boat Morning Cloud they nicknamed him Sailor Heath from that and nothing like the disgusting references you make - still he's dead isn't he so you can make them.

You called yourself by the right name so why did you alter it?

I take it all back. I am cowed by your obvious intellect and your rapier-like wit and repartee. There is no way I could ever believe you to be one of the most impenetrably dense and stupid posters on this forum.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

davenotamonkey Flag 07 Nov 16 6.48pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

UK Parliamentary sovereignty, requires that any significant change to the UK, does so via the democratic process of government.

The idea that somehow you could 'reclaim sovereignty of the UK from the EU' but then campaign and complain when you then have to follow UK sovereignty in doing so, is absurdly stupid.

And a number of Brexiters are showing a rank ignorance on how the UK Legal and political system have worked for hundreds of years. The irresponsibility of the media and the ignorance of just how judicial and parlimenary law interact, and how UK systems of change operate is either terrorfying or very agenda driven

Thank you, jamiemartin721, the expert on constitutional law. I'm glad you, other like-minded remainers, as well as the whole host of celebrities, experts and international leaders are able to expose this level of ignorance before we vote in the referendum. We'd be stuffed if we actually ended up with a leave result (I know, unlikely, right?!), and then 5 months down the line discovered that all those experts and online remain warriors didn't tell us it wouldn't be implemented, unless passed in a heavily remain-leaning parliament!

After all, wouldn't it be embarrassing if those on both sides didn't, at any point leading up to the referendum, mention that this decision would still be bounced back to parliament regardless?!

Just imagine if, for example, we'd blown £9m of taxpayer money on a leaflet telling every UK household that the referendum result would be implemented immediately? How embarrassing! And wouldn't it be so embarrassing if we'd gone to the trouble of flying the US President over (he's quite busy) to 'terrorfy' [sic] and scare the sh*t out of people, so they vote in what is essentially just an opinion poll! Gosh, that would be silly! At least now that we all know, politicians like the leader of the opposition won't do anything silly like suggest Article 50 should be invoked immediately, so as to negotiate an exit from the EU!

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I'll be sure to bookmark your post, so that 5 months from now, just in case, I can stop all the bickering on here, and say: "hey, guys! ignorance is no excuse! This constitutional expert called it well before the referendum even took place!! Stop pandering to press 'irresponsibility' [sic] in reporting how 'parlimenary' [sic] democracy works!!".

Oh, wait.

 

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