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 Spiderman  Horsham 16 Apr 20 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I do not recruit from overseas. In the past I had to as there are absolutely no RMNs or RNLDs available in the UK market Self interest? Tell you what, you explain to me how to nurse the mentally ill. I do not know how to nurse the mentally ill and wouldn’t know where to start, what is the relevance of your question?
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| Stirlingsays 16 Apr 20 10.24pm |
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Any country that cannot provide enough healthcare workers for its own system is itself sick. Or rather, it is disenfranchising its own for lower cost. A British nurse is highly likely to spend their money here. Not send it out of the country. The NHS was not designed as an income stream for Asian countries...or indeed any other country. If the education within these countries is good, then that expertise should be improving themselves.....not participating in a brain drain. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2020 10.26pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 16 Apr 20 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I repeat the origin of the Spanish flu is uncertain. Anyone suggesting certainty on its origin speaks with no scientific consensus and is spreading disinformation. Here's an article from the National Geographic that suggests the origins for this flu as maybe coming from China, which then muated. However, they also state that it's unlikely that we will ever know. That is the correct information, we don't know for sure where the Spanish flu originated from. Absolutely nothing wrong with speculation, but suggesting certainty isn't correct. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2020 10.19pm) That predates the most current analysis by 4 years. Still, trust the National Geographic From 2014 OR Evolution, Medicine and PublicHealth from 2019. You decide.
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| Mapletree Croydon 16 Apr 20 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Any country that cannot provide enough healthcare workers for its own system is itself sick. Or rather, it is disenfranchising its own for lower cost. A British nurse is highly likely to spend their money here. Not send it out of the country. The NHS was not designed as an income stream for Asian countries...or indeed any other country. Agreed. And your solution is?
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| Stirlingsays 16 Apr 20 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
That predates the most current analysis by 4 years. Still, trust the National Geographic From 2014 OR Evolution, Medicine and PublicHealth from 2019. You decide. Here is the current Wikipedia link for Spanish flu. You will see, that it says its origin is disputed. It offers three locations as possible origins. If you are suggesting that there is a consensus on the US....and the word consensus is important.... and that this is out of date, then link me and I can educate myself. Otherwise you are waffling. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2020 10.32pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 16 Apr 20 10.34pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I do not know how to nurse the mentally ill and wouldn’t know where to start, what is the relevance of your question? Do keep up. The NHS is short of 40,000 nurses with RMNs and RNLDs proportionately in the worst shortage. So how do I manage a business nursing the mentally ill without nurses? Yet you criticise me for looking overseas. So what answer do you have? Maybe give a £5k bursary a year to people spending over £15k a year on their studies. If that works we may see a dribble more nurses on the market in four years time. I have no idea how long it will take to produce 40,000 over and above attrition rates but at the moment we are going backwards. We lost an aggregate 6,000 RMNs in the past 10 years
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| Stirlingsays 16 Apr 20 10.35pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Agreed. And your solution is?
I have little doubt the solutions have all been thought of....It's all a matter of will.
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| Mapletree Croydon 16 Apr 20 10.37pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I have never doubted the quality have I! Why reply with Ffs? I was putting my opinion that is all The FFS wasn’t about quality. You stated it would be best if they kept their nurses whereas it was already pointed out they have a business model based on feeding the export market
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| Mapletree Croydon 16 Apr 20 10.40pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I have little doubt the solutions have all been thought of....It's all a matter of will. Or will not. How long shall we live being 40k short? Oh well, I am sure it’s not important.
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| Spiderman Horsham 16 Apr 20 10.41pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Do keep up. The NHS is short of 40,000 nurses with RMNs and RNLDs proportionately in the worst shortage. So how do I manage a business nursing the mentally ill without nurses? Yet you criticise me for looking overseas. So what answer do you have? Maybe give a £5k bursary a year to people spending over £15k a year on their studies. If that works we may see a dribble more nurses on the market in four years time. I have no idea how long it will take to produce 40,000 over and above attrition rates but at the moment we are going backwards. We lost an aggregate 6,000 RMNs in the past 10 years I am not sure I criticised anyone for looking overseas I just expressed an opinion that maybe the Philippines would be better served keeping their own qualified healthcare workers.
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| Spiderman Horsham 16 Apr 20 10.45pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
The FFS wasn’t about quality. You stated it would be best if they kept their nurses whereas it was already pointed out they have a business model based on feeding the export market My reply was sent before your reply was seen, if that makes sense. Still not sure any need to start with ffs, imo
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| Mapletree Croydon 16 Apr 20 10.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Here is the current Wikipedia link for Spanish flu. You will see, that it says its origin is disputed. It offers three locations as possible origins. If you are suggesting that there is a consensus on the US....and the word consensus is important.... and that this is out of date, then link me and I can educate myself. Otherwise you are waffling. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2020 10.32pm) Even in your own link your hypothesis is debunked. In summary it is likely the flu had a North American origin. Science is rarely absolute but I have seen no credible dispute of the 2018 work
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