I did not say all Arabs are terrorists. What i was saying is that Livingstone has actively supported the Arab cause. The Arab cause is, as most people will agree, a difficult one to understand as the different factions within the cause want different things in different countries.

Some use negotiation..I've no problem with that as I believe they are genuine.

Some use terrorism...these are the ones I am talking about.

When Livingstone supports the whole Arab cause he immediately affiliates himself with both sides of the cause. Therefore he is either a complete idiot and doesn't realise the boost his support gives to the Arab terrorist part of their cause or he is a 2 faced f*cker.

Having been in London during the 70's, 80's and 90's I know which one I think is true!!

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

I don't want to negotiate. What for? We are not even sure what thees people want apart from causing death and distruction. And I don't agree with Political Corectness bollocks either.

What can we do about it. We know next to nothing about Al Quieda. It's not as if they are all based in one country.

They are a terroist organisation with cells in a lot of Country's. Ranging from Afghanistan to Iraq right down to Germany, france and even Britain and still the US. This is despite the attack on the Taliban regime of Afghanistan after 9/11, which achieved nothing if the opposite from what it intended. You say strike back hard. I agree, but it is the way that we do so that worries me. With Al Quieda in so many Countries where do we start? And how? Do I want to bring the people responsible for this to justice. Damn f***ing right I do. I want them locked up in the nastiest (not cushy prisons like ours) conditions possible where they are tortured every day but left in a state where they survive so they can be batterd the next day.

I will be honest. I am worried that if we try and strike back in the same way that America did we would eventually end up in a situation where they strike (like today), we strike in retaliation, then they strike back and on we continue. The outcome? No one is safe and we live in a Country where we are constantly looking over our shoulder. I do not want to live in a paranoid and scared society, which I fear it could become. Nor do I wan't to bring my future Children up where they are constently looking over thier shoulder.

Tommorow I am going to get up, go to work and carry on leading and enjoying my life the way I see fit and am proud to do so.

johnno42000 I apolagise for implying that you think all Arab's are terrorists. In your post this was clearly not your intention, and I apolagise for doing so.

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I think Blair and Livingstone have been very good at handling this.

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Politically incorrect but so what.

What I am about to sya it EXREMLEY contraversial.

Isn't it time we shut the gates of England? Stopp lettin as many people in so lightly?

We should start turning them away.

My heart still goes out to all the people who died today.

I also feel sorry for the abuse that the Arabs will be receiving for a minority of their religion behaving like muppets. I say kill the Terrorists by paper cutting them to death!

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Giovanni. Because these people are so scattered, I can't see the UK unilaterally going out to bomb some indeterminate country as 'revenge' for this. As you rightly say, it is virtually impossible to strike at their core, for the simple reason that there isn't one. You're also right in that we don't have any specific knowledge about Al Q'aeda other than the statements that they've made vowing to destroy the West. In fact, we don't even know if Al Q'aeda even exists in the same form that it did on 9/11. We have to go on what we know.

What we know is that these people are fanatics whose beliefs are far, far outside our range of understanding and are seen as pariahs even by most (but probably not all) Arab governments. Faced with this 'invisibility', we are obliged to work with other countries in order to locate them and deal with them and, if necessary, encourage regime change in countries that openly and practically support them and their aims (such as in Afghanistan). Their fundamentalism will not permit them to deal with the West in any shape or form other than by attack. The onward march of fundamentalism is therefore the real problem here.

By permitting fundamentalist activity in this country, we are effectively leaving our door wide open to terrorist attack, as other Western countries are, in their attempts to be 'tolerant'. Unfortunately, it is this very tolerance towards an ideology whose only objective is to destroy us that is our downfall. I can't even imagine what could be done to halt islamic fundamentalism and I fear what is yet to come - I suspect that events like today and 9/11 will pale into insignificance. We have no idea how many others are here, and nor do other countries know how many 'sleepers' they are harbouring.

Asking about whether we'd kill them or not if caught is really beside the point - their value of human life, including their own, is evidently very little. We have to be increasingly vigilant and possibly surrender some of our much-cherished 'rights' in order to even begin to combat it (ID cards, here we come). And even then, that won't stop it. It's a very depressing thought.

Not controversial. Just rather pointless. My Wife said the same thing, for some reason forgetting she married into a family of Irish & Italian imigrants. We don't actually know the nationality of the terrorists. Sure they are probably Al Quieda. But as a result they could be sleeper cells comprisng of what could appear to be your average British, white man or women who underneath are Bin Laden sympathisers/fanatics as much as someone from another country.

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This was posted on another Board i frequent. Not too sure what to think of it.

Those that see them as the enemy, may like to note that if they go on the UBA march they could well be marching with them.

I thank you for your time and hope that you can take a look at our website and join us in our demonstration. We must put pressure on the government to rid our shores of terror.

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Round of applause. Excellent post.

Second that, they were fantastic

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Agreed, the quickness of Blairs response to the media, and then to head back to London was very good IMO.

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